housing association apologies to 'horrified' residents

Yes.

Though of course it just uses the term internet access, while you seem to be trying to put a pejorative spin on it by using 'high speed', though I'm not sure how many ISPs in the UK still support a 56k dial up service.

Although of course the right can be met happily by the internet access provided free in public libraries, just as the to education does not involve everyone getting a personal tutor coming to their house...
 
Although of course the right can be met happily by the internet access provided free in public libraries, just as the to education does not involve everyone getting a personal tutor coming to their house...

If the libraries were open for people to use when they need them. But when the libraries are open in the week the kids are at school and a lot of the people who would need such assistance are working Saturdays the other day when the library may be open. And of course this is presuming you actually live in a urban area where this is possible.
 
It costs on average £47,000 per year keeping somebody in prison & that's ignoring the significant legal & policing costs which lead up to the crime & sentencing.

Give me a chance, just one chance, to run a prison on my terms and I bet you my house I'll get that down to less than £5k a year per prisoner.
 
I don't get why people think the newsletter wasn't offensive.

Imagine if you'd just been made redundant, or you're on some other benefit (disability?) and you got this through your door.



I'd be like: 'Yeah no **** I can't afford those things.'

If that's the best advice they can give me on how to keep my home, I don't think I'd be calling them. But the fact that they imply that I'm some cigarette smoking, Sky watching, bingo playing layabout would really annoy me.

Of course it's going to offend people with the way it's worded.

No i wouldnt cause i'd use common sense and know that im not the kind of people there on about.
 
Someone on here said it a while back in another thread. Treadmills and exercise bikes that produce power for the national grid. Earn your benefits and enjoy better health.

Quite possibly the best solution ever.
 
Give me a chance, just one chance, to run a prison on my terms and I bet you my house I'll get that down to less than £5k a year per prisoner.
I'd also wager any money saved would be lost via sky-high reoffending rates.

Try harder.
 
Newsnet Scotland said:
Labour has 'questions to answer' after letting Tories off hook on workers' rights

By a Newsnet reporter

Labour have found themselves in a shambles following a vote on workers’ rights which saw a number of backbenchers rebel against the party, and a fierce backlash from supporters on social media.

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The party abstained on a vote which allowed the UK Government to speed a hastily drafted retroactive law through parliament that will overturn the outcome of a court of appeal judgement and ensure the government no longer has to pay benefit rebates to about a quarter of a million jobseekers.

The vote in the Commons came after last month's Court of Appeal ruling against the UK government's controversial welfare-to-work scheme, under which more than 230,000 jobseekers had been forced into work placements without pay and with little information about what was happening and why.

The estimated pay-out due to claimants wrongly sanctioned by the illegal workfare scheme is £130 million.

The move to strip illegally penalised claimants of their legal rights was defended by Labour's shadow work and pensions secretary Liam Byrne, who said that Labour would not oppose the bill, but added that "ministers must launch an independent review of the sanctions regime with an urgent report to parliament".

The campaign group Boycott Workfare reacted angrily to the news that the Labour party would not oppose the Conservative measure.

A spokesperson for the group said:

"It is just as disgusting to hear Liam Byrne say that the social security people are due must be withheld or the entire welfare budget be cut. Everyone knows abstaining is as good as voting for the bill."

Green MP Caroline Lucas, who voted along with the SNP, Plaid Cymru and a number of Labour rebels against the bill, said:

"By failing to vote against this Bill, Labour is effectively supporting the Government and indicating that it, like David Cameron's administration, sees no problem in bringing in emergency legislation to overturn a court's findings when it goes against them.

"In a fair society, the solution to unemployment is not to force people into workfare programmes which do little more than supply big companies with free labour. It's to create jobs that pay a living wage, for example, by investing in new sustainable infrastructure projects and boosting the jobs-rich low carbon economy.

"Tuesday's vote was about sending a signal to all of those people being hit by this Government's cuts and thinly-veiled attacks on the poor that there is an effective Opposition in this Parliament willing to stand up for these principles - even if Labour won't."

Dr Eilidh Whiteford , the SNP Work and Pensions spokesperson commented :

"Labour have found themselves in a shambles over this vote- they have sold out on their founding principles of protecting workers’ rights. The party could not even convince their MPs their position was a good idea, and many rebelled. Quite understandably, they are facing a fierce backlash from supporters.

"A very simple principle underpins what we have been debating. If someone works a shift for an employer, they deserve a fair day's pay for their time and effort. There are no circumstances in which it’s OK not to pay employees, or to pay them a derisory sum below the legal Minimum Wage for the work they undertake.

"There are many who will feel that the Government’s Back to Work Schemes fall some way short of this principle – but the critical point is that the courts have found aspects of the regulations and sanctions regime attached to the schemes to be unlawful.

"Labour have allowed the Tories to effectively be 'off the hook'. That is simply astonishing, and leaves Labour with many questions to answer.

"The real solution – the only workable solution - is to drive growth and create demand in the economy. That’s the way to create jobs and get people into work. Only with a Yes vote in 2014 can we ensure that those key aims are met and we avoid the sorry situation of Tory and Labour assaults on the working poor."

Seven Labour MPs representing Scottish constituencies rebelled against party instructions and voted with the SNP, Plaid and the Greens against the Coalition's retrospective legislation. All others abstained and allowed the bill to pass.

The rebels were: Katy Clark, North Ayrshire and Arran; Michael Connarty, Linlithgow and East Falkirk; Ian Davidson, Glasgow South West; Mark Lazarowicz, Edinburgh North and Leith; Jim McGovern, Dundee West; Sandra Osborne, Ayr Carrick and Cumnock; Jim Sheridan, Paisley and Renfrewshire North.

The Labour Rebels, including Ian "Ye'll get a doin" Davidson, should resign from the Labour party if their moral objection is to stand for anything given the parties own manifesto commitment of the same.
 
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Daily Record said:
No room in civilised nation for this cruel tax on poor

MOVING home is one of the most stressful events any of us will go through in our lives - yet this is being imposed on the sick and vulnerable.



THE bedroom tax dominated last week’s Question Time as the Welsh audience in Cardiff tore into Lib Dem and Tory politicians trying to defend the indefensible.

I expected to witness similar scenes the next night in Ayr, where David Dimbleby’s brother Jonathan was hosting Any Questions, the Radio 4 rival to his show.

I was a panel member and wondered how another guest, the Scottish Lib Dem MP and UK women’s minister Jo Swinson, would defend a policy that hurts so many disabled people and poor families.

Jo was one of only four Scottish MPs to vote in favour of the bedroom tax at Westminster.

But the question wasn’t picked – probably because Jonathan’s Any Questions doesn’t want to repeat material from his brother’s Question Time the night before.

Jo was saved by sibling rivalry. Afterwards, a member of the audience who also volunteered at the community-run theatre told me of a local woman who had been brain damaged at birth and required support round the clock from paid carers.

Even this profoundly disabled lady faced losing benefit or her flat. But there are so many similar stories. Last week on TV we saw the couple where the wife had severe MS and used the spare room for disability equipment.

People forced to move will be cut off from their support networks, such as neighbours, who keep an eye on them.

Yet most of the time there is nowhere to go. South Ayrshire is a typical example – it’s probably not the worst.

Each year, the council has 900 housing applicants for about 750 homes.

Only 150 will be one-bedroom properties, half of which are allocated to elderly or disabled as they are mostly ground level and sheltered.

Last month, 531 people in South Ayrshire were waiting for a one-bedroom house.

That’s up from 244 last summer, showing the threat of the bedroom tax is already taking its toll.

Eight out of 10 homes affected by the bedroom tax in Scotland have a disabled person living in them. Moving home is one of the most stressful events any of us face in our lives.

Yet this is being imposed on the sick and vulnerable.

The so called concessions announced by Westminster last week hardly scratch the surface.

And Scotland is singled out for particularly unfair treatment.

Funding for “hard cases” offered by the UK government is totally inadequate.

Scotland will receive only 6.5 per cent of it, despite having 16 per cent of the total number affected in Great Britain.

Scotland and London each have about 80,000 people affected by the bedroom tax.

But we will receive £10million in emergency cash compared with £56.6million for London.

The SNP government in Holyrood has absolutely no control over this policy and their housing minister Margaret Burgess has written to the coalition pointing out the terrible hardship that it will cause.

She has now asked Scottish councils to use a legal loophole reclassifying bedrooms for different uses, in order to spare tenants from the benefit cut.

But the most worrying development comes from Labour’s double talking.

Shadow Scottish Secretary Margaret Curran has slammed the tax.

But Helen Goodman MP, a member of Labour’s Shadow Cabinet, said on the BBC’s Daily Politics show her party would also impose it on those who refused alternative accommodation. She said housing benefit had to be cut.

Maybe that should not surprise us.

The last Labour government began the bedroom tax when they imposed it on people living in private rented accommodation.

The Tories and Lib Dems are extending this to housing association and council tenants.

It’s a case of say one message for Scotland, another for middle England.

From the Daily Record of all people. Labour double standards indeed.
 
The government ahve basically decided to force people into work by making it impossible to survive on the amount of benefits they provide... But there are no jobs.... If there were loads of jobs then fine but people are being made homeless. I find it offensive that they are saying "not to waste money on fags and drink" when they do not even give you enough money for rent, food and bills. People who are on benifits and spend a lot of money on fags and alchohol must literally not eat, pay any bills or wash etc.
 
I'd also wager any money saved would be lost via sky-high reoffending rates.

Try harder.

Believe me, after a spell in my prison the last thing on anyone's agenda will be to re-offend. In fact, I'll make it such hell that if you do re-offend you'll simply be classed as insane and sectioned.
 
Interesting, I just tried the direct gov benefits calculator as follows:

Lazy cow syndrome (able to work and 'job seeking' trololololol)
2 children
housing association house
no other income (it doesn't ask about csa)

The following came out:

You may be able to claim the following benefit(s), which we have estimated for you:

Jobseeker's Allowance (Income based) £71.00 per week
Child Tax Credit £113.68 per week
Housing Benefit £90.00 per week
Council Tax Benefit £1.97 per week
Child Benefit £33.70 per week

Total weekly income £310.35 per week

This is in addition to the following:

Free school meals
NHS Healthy Start Vouchers for children under four years old
Free NHS prescriptions
Free NHS dental treatment
Free NHS sight test
Vouchers towards the cost of glasses or contact lenses
(Reasonable) travel costs to hospital for NHS treatment

So whilst not an extravagant life, it's not exactly bad, is it? I make that £16,138.20. Which if you didn't have lazy cow syndrome would be a salary of around £18,500.

So err...yeah..... make of that what you will. I shudder to think how it would change if they were faking being on the sick (which happens), or throw in a couple of more kids. Not to mention CSA payments on top of all of that.

And this is fine to be paid for by the tax payer because.......?
 
Yes it is OK if you are a pregnant teenager or something but if you are single and renting accomodation you literally cannot afford to live and either get into debt or go homeless... Nice...

Answer = Get pregnant at 16 and live off the benefits - NICE
 
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Is it playing up to a stereotype of trying to tackle issues that are common to a certain demographic?

For a second allowing the premise that Sky TV, drinking, smoking and bingo is a particular demographics poison then is it tackling issues or having a cheap prod at people who may or may not be in that demographic?

Or I'll rephrase - would it not be equally possible to have worded it in such a way that doesn't seem to be disparaging and patronising? Even "In light of potential benefit cuts consider what you spend on non-essential items - these may include alcohol, cigarettes, Sky TV etc. Please call one of our Team for further advice and tips." reads as less prejudicial from my point of view and it also encourages them to think about the issue without being quite so demeaning about it.

Give me a chance, just one chance, to run a prison on my terms and I bet you my house I'll get that down to less than £5k a year per prisoner.

Out of interest will you also reform the judicial system and if so how? Just to check how committed you are to saving money.
 
Interesting, I just tried the direct gov benefits calculator as follows:

Lazy cow syndrome (able to work and 'job seeking' trololololol)
2 children
housing association house
no other income (it doesn't ask about csa)

The following came out:

You may be able to claim the following benefit(s), which we have estimated for you:

Jobseeker's Allowance (Income based) £71.00 per week
Child Tax Credit £113.68 per week
Housing Benefit £90.00 per week
Council Tax Benefit £1.97 per week
Child Benefit £33.70 per week

Total weekly income £310.35 per week

This is in addition to the following:

Free school meals
NHS Healthy Start Vouchers for children under four years old
Free NHS prescriptions
Free NHS dental treatment
Free NHS sight test
Vouchers towards the cost of glasses or contact lenses
(Reasonable) travel costs to hospital for NHS treatment

So whilst not an extravagant life, it's not exactly bad, is it? I make that £16,138.20. Which if you didn't have lazy cow syndrome would be a salary of around £18,500.

So err...yeah..... make of that what you will. I shudder to think how it would change if they were faking being on the sick (which happens), or throw in a couple of more kids. Not to mention CSA payments on top of all of that.

And this is fine to be paid for by the tax payer because.......?
If she doesn't work how does she get JSA & child tax credits (correct me if I'm wrong but I thought tax credits are for people who work, JSA is for people seeking work).

From the HMRC website - Single claimants with children must work 16 hours per week or more.

On the last point, what would you suggest - leaving children to poverty to pay for the crimes of ****less parents?, are you even a net tax contributor yourself?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13633966

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Many moons ago I was dating a lass that lived on a council estate in Barnsley and spent a lot of time there. It was very much like the Royle family, every other house was on benefits, had a Sky dish (with a smartcard bought from some bloke in the pub), they all went to a really crappy pub of a night and smoked fags. Almost every man of working age had either a pickup or a van and kept themselves occupied with cash in hand jobs on the side.

I don't know if it's still like that, haven't been back in years. Nobody was either rich or idle, they were all working hard to support their families however they could.
 
If she doesn't work how does she get JSA & child tax credits (correct me if I'm wrong but I thought tax credits are for people who work, JSA is for people seeking work).

From the HMRC website - Single claimants with children must work 16 hours per week or more.

On the last point, what would you suggest - leaving children to poverty to pay for the crimes of ****less parents?, are you even a net tax contributor yourself?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13633966

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Yes, i would rather the children lived in absolute poverty than have the government hand them money for nothing. Ideally I would prefer if they didn't have children if they couldn't afford it, like responsible adults.
 
Yes, i would rather the children lived in absolute poverty than have the government hand them money for nothing. Ideally I would prefer if they didn't have children if they couldn't afford it, like responsible adults.

Only if the world was so simplistic groen, eh?
 
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