The Budget 2013 - 12:30

[No1newts]

Crucial? So without a stay at home parent a child will have poor social skills and ill discipline?

No, I doubt that.

But they are highly important in a child's development. It would be interesting to see a study to compare a child who spent the first year or teo with one or both of their parents and another who got chucked in a nursery as an unwanted career blocker from a month or two old as to which would be better adjusted.

I imagine that would be a pretty much impossible study to carry out though.

 

[Theophany]

I would have thought it pretty obvious, I know you to be a follower of Thatcherism.

Is it too much to expect you'd have picked some idea of my position since your entrance?

You presume I find you interesting enough to retain any such information.

 

[Hagar]

According to the BBC calculator I will be £110 better off in 2013/14

 

[Xordium]

A parent is crucial for the socialisation and disciplining of the child. In a crèche situation these workers have to be ultra careful of not being construed to harm the child in any way. It is difficult enough for professionals like teachers or social workers.

That parent doesn't have to stay at home though do they. They can do it at other times as long as there such times. And a traditional nursery is not the only option you can use a childminder who will still follow a EYFS framework but provide a more personal touch.

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And £65 per day I pay £37.5 and I live in Little Aston which aint so far from Redditch and most certainly not cheaper for cost of living - being fleeced you are.

 

[Biohazard]

You presume I find you interesting enough to retain any such information.

Perhaps I accredited you with too much intelligence then. Sorry about that.

 

[RDM]

No, I doubt that.

But they are highly important in a child's development. It would be interesting to see a study to compare a child who spent the first year or teo with one or both of their parents and another who got chucked in a nursery as an unwanted career blocker from a month or two old as to which would be better adjusted.

I imagine that would be a pretty much impossible study to carry out though.

Shall we through a few more emotive sets in there too? How about the large numbers of ill-disciplined, socially inept, slum estate kids with 3rd generation unemployed parents? Parental care seems to do next to nothing there.

Not exactly sure how belittling people for the child care choices hey have made with no real knowledge of what their personal circumstances are is either all that useful or even all htat relevant to the budget.

 

[SDK^]

And £65 per day I may £37.5 and I live in Little Aston which aint so far from Redditch and most certainly not cheaper for cost of living - being fleeced you are.

The Nursery is in Leamington-Spa which is close to where I work.
We viewed several nurseries which were cheaper but as with most things good, they cost more money.

BTW - Little Aston is 50 miles from my house

 

[Xordium]

The Nursery is in Leamington-Spa which is close to where I work.
We viewed several nurseries which were cheaper but as with most things good, they cost more money.

What about a childminder - ours takes from 0745 to 1745 does all meals, daytrips, etc £37.50 per day a really lovely lady - OFSTED outstanding etc used to run a nursery has her Early Years Learning degree etc. May want to save yourself some money and look at childminders as well as nurseries! And yes I am 50 miles away but the figures will be roughly the same and like I say cost of housing around here is higher than Lemington Spa so rates should be the same.

 

[estebanrey]

No, I doubt that.

But they are highly important in a child's development. It would be interesting to see a study to compare a child who spent the first year or teo with one or both of their parents and another who got chucked in a nursery as an unwanted career blocker from a month or two old as to which would be better adjusted.

Whilst there are other factors, I'd bet every penny I have that on average the criminal records of kids packed off to boarding school as soon as they can speak are cleaner than those of council estate kids with stay-at-home mums.

The whole "it's important to bond with your kids" stuff, IMO, was invented by someone who didn't like working. My nan used to say in her day you were expected to pop out the baby on the Monday and be back at work on the Friday, nowadays they give you a year off to 'bond' with your baby. But is society much better off today than it was when my nan was a kid? Sure in some ways but none of the those ways (less racism, sexism and homophobia) are nothing to do with kids bonding with their parents.

 

[Spook187]

What about a childminder - ours takes from 0745 to 1745 does all meals, daytrips, etc £37.50 per day a really lovely lady - OFSTED outstanding etc used to run a nursery has her Early Years Learning degree etc. May want to save yourself some money and look at childminders as well as nurseries! And yes I am 50 miles away but the figures will be roughly the same and like I say cost of housing around here is higher than Lemington Spa so rates should be the same.

That's £3.75 a hour

 

[Judgeneo]

The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development said it now expects the French economy to grow by 0.1 percent this year, instead of the 0.3 percent it forecast earlier.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130319/oecd-trims-french-growth-forecast

The IMF forecast the Spanish economy will shrink by 1.5 percent this year while the EU expects a 1.4 percent contraction.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...in-s-2013-growth-forecasts-amid-eu-slump.html

In an announcement on Tuesday, Berlin said it expects the economy to expand just 0.4pc during 2013 - a sharp revision from its expectation in October that Germany could achieve 1pc growth this year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9807064/German-growth-forecast-axed.html

Portugal's government expects the country's recession to be a deeper 2.0 percent this year than it earlier thought

...

The government has previously forecast the Portuguese economy would contract by 1.0 percent in 2013.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130220/portugal-revises-down-growth-forecast

The Greek economy is expected to shrink by 4.4 pct this year, after shrinking by 6.4 pct in 2012

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/?p=24689



0.6% growth will do me just fine.

 

[atpbx]

That's £3.75 a hour

She won't be looking after just the one child, there will be 2 or 3 at the same rate I would think.

I know the lass that used to look after ours had 3 on the go.

 

[Spook187]

She won't be looking after just the one child, there will be 2 or 3 at the same rate I would think.

I know the lass that used to look after ours had 3 on the go.

i hope that is the case lol.

 

[Xordium]

Whilst there are other factors, I'd bet every penny I have that on average the criminal records of kids packed off to boarding school as soon as they can speak are cleaner than those of council estate kids with stay-at-home mums.

Yes, I think you will be correct because you are not comparing like with like. I would also wager some of those kids packed off to boarding school will have done far more damage to society (Blair + Cameron + shady bankers) than any of the little chavs escapades.

 

[estebanrey]

0.6% growth will do me just fine.

Isn't the moral of your post that financial forecasts are rarely accurate?

 

[Judgeneo]

Isn't the moral of your post that financial forecast are rarely accurate?

Haha, that too. I just take that for granted nowdays though

 

[estebanrey]

Yes, I think you will be correct because you are not comparing like with like. I would also wager some of those kids packed off to boarding school will have done far more damage to society (Blair + Cameron + shady bankers) than any of the little chavs escapades.

You, fairly, criticise me for not comparing like with like then belittle that point by comparing anti-social behaviour with government policies you don't like.

 

[Xordium]

i hope that is the case lol.

Of course it will be along as the work is there for them. Which it generally is - so the message is to all those people with silly nursery costs at least explore local childminders because you can save a ton and if they are properly registered you'll save yourself far more in the main than with these government offers.

Most people though just look at nurseries though - you can go on the OFSTED site and search your local area if you want for all nurseries and childminders. My helpful hint for the day.

 

[Xordium]

You, fairly, criticise me for not comparing like with like then belittle that point by comparing anti-social behaviour with government policies you don't like.

Sorry I wasn't aware I needed to put [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] around that part - I thought it may have been obvious - consider it added from this post. + I think mine has more weight to it tbh.

 

[estebanrey]

Of course it will be along as the work is there for them. Which it generally is - so the message is to all those people with silly nursery costs at least explore local childminders because you can save a ton and if they are properly registered you'll save yourself far more in the main than with these government offers.

Most people though just look at nurseries though - you can go on the OFSTED site and search your local area if you want for all nurseries and childminders. My helpful hint for the day.

I think this is another problem with how our society has evolved over the last 20 years, everything now needs some kind of qualification which means less and less jobs available to unskilled workers.

When I was a teenager, babysitting was something most of my [female mostly] friends did for an extra bit of pocket money, it was an unskilled job. Now though, to look after kids even for a few hours you need several NVQs, a CRB check and some bull**** certification.

You could kill unemployment over night if all unemployed people could act as child minders and look after the kids of those with long working hours but because of the above that isn't possible and the whole thing has been turned into an 'industry'.