Spec me a 4x4 upto £3K (3.5k at a push)

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I'm looking for a 4x4 for the girlfriend.

I was originally looking at late 90's Range Rover 4.6 V8's but have heard horror stories about suspension problems costing many hundreds etc. Basically we are looking for a vehicle that will quite happily tow a loaded horsebox with a pair of fully grown horses in and also in a couple of years time have the ability to tow a fairly lengthy & heavy caravan. I know that vehicle weight is important here, but i've never really looked into 4x4's before.

It does need some offroading ability too. The only other thing that springs to mind is a Discovery?

Any other suggestions to widen my search criteria?
 
theres some 5x7 here too as well as 4x4

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how about a subaru forrester, or Jeep. love my jeep liberty
 
Landcrusier LC80 4.2TD!

You might get one for your budget BUT good ones cost more! (I Read recently that in Africa these still change hands for upwards of $20,000! :eek: Thats how good they are!)

You will have to hunt around for a good one AND you will probably have to rebuild the front hubs (Competant DIY job, actually pretty well everything you might need to do is a competent DIY job. That is one of the attractions. Very little in the way of bothersome electronics either -Unlike the Range Rovers!)

Once you have ironed out the bugs it will do everything you could possibly want and more!

Fuel consumption isnt too bad either. On a Long run one can get mid thirties! though obviously it is rather heavier around town!
 
Jeep Grand Cherokee. Get one for 1.5-3k (petrol or diesel your choice, although diesels cost more.) Take it to a 4x4 indy giving it a good full service for say £500. Pop some all terrain tyres on which are not expensive at all compared to regular road tyres.

Tow anything and go anywhere!
 
Jeep Grand Cherokee. Get one for 1.5-3k (petrol or diesel your choice, although diesels cost more.) Take it to a 4x4 indy giving it a good full service for say £500. Pop some all terrain tyres on which are not expensive at all compared to regular road tyres.

Tow anything and go anywhere!

Old Jeeps are good too, but don't get a diesel! Petrol only!

The main problem with those is that the older ones tend to rust so a good check down below is required!
 
Shoguns and early discoveries seem to be reasonably reliable.
My mum has a shogun and I've owned a 97 discovery tdi for over 5 years as a daily driver. So I cannot speak for any other models.

With all of these things - you need to know what the problems are.

Most important for you looking at 90's vehicles onwards, is RUST! Wheelarches, sills, BOOT FLOOR (especially in disco's - lift the boot floor carpet before parting with any money!!!!), body hangers and rear crossmember.
Get underneath and have a good poke about. On the plus side, there are lots of replacement panels available, both OEM and aftermarket.
All landrovers rust and if you're looking at getting one, find one that has either had work done already or one that has the least amount to be repaired in future.

If you want to know about landrovers, go and register at landrovernet.com and look at the forums; sticky topics on the different forum sections or post your questions in the relevant subsection.

Your budget would probably stretch to a tidy discovery td5, or an equally tidy shogun (just watch out for hgf on these as they can go but are relatively simple to have done).

Look at plenty of examples until you find a vehicle that feels right.

Anything with a V8 will be hideously expensive to run. If you're thinking of LPG down the line, make sure the engine and fuel injection system is compatible with a reliable LPG system before you lash out on the vehicle.
As for the airbag suspension, common failures are the pneumatic 'spring' and associated pipework/self levelling sensor - this leads to sagging, quite common on rear suspension - a leak in these systems is not terminal, but if left untreated it will kill the pump that supplies pressure for the system. The pump is only meant to run when the suspension needs to be adjusted. When there's a leak it ends up running all the time and burns out. Generally it is the pump that costs the mega-money to replace.
On the other hand, there are retro-fit kits that remove the self levelling suspension system from discovery td5's and rangerovers and replace them with reliable old coil springs if that's of any use.

As for the weight of the vehicles - most landrover varients (disco/defender/rangie etc) come in at about ~2.25 tonnes. Add that to the 3 ton limit for towing inc trailer & vehicle (you'll have to check that). You get the idea. None of these will have any trouble towing the horses or caravan or plenty of other stuff much heavier.

Later landrovers (from the early td5 discovery 2 series) have a lot of electric systems controlling suspension and traction control etc which can go wrong, but are all documented issues that are relatively simple to diagnose.
Mine is a D1 that has abs but no traction control, just good old fashioned hi/lo gears and locking centre differential. If you're looking at diy repairs, the later the model they're slightly less friendly to work on, but you can still do it if you have the tools and the inclination.

I'll say one thing about the diesel engines - the 200/300tdi engines just keep on going (with regular servicing). The TD5 is a more powerful unit, and while it is reliable, it is less so than the tdi by many accounts, but don't let that put you off - in no way is it a bad engine, you just need to pay more attention to the servicing & diagnostics as it's all ecu.
V8's have their own troubles (even though they sound great).

Last thing: VED. On a 2001 TD5 it will cost you ~£400 to tax for 12 months. And older TDI will be about half of that. I suppose the larger figure will apply to later rangerovers etc.
 
Nissan X-Trail.

Very good for towing with a high braking load rate. Will be much better on road than anything rural, and still very capable offroader (has diff locks).

Look out for oily intercoolers on the diesel models. A leak in the intercooler leads to an over revving turbo, and early failure. A welded intercooler, and an uprated (improved bearings) turbo can all be had to fix this issue though.
 
Last thing: VED. On a 2001 TD5 it will cost you ~£400 to tax for 12 months. And older TDI will be about half of that.

I don't agree with that. The maximum amount of VED for a car class vehicle before March 2006 is currently £270. It will not therefore cost you £400?
 
I wouldn't touch a Disco 1, they are just too long in the tooth now, most are sheds.
Disco2 indeed can be had within your budget, (paid £1900 for mine, although it is an Auto) you might even squeeze in a facelift one for 3K!
Dirty derv is probably the way forward and as has been said the 5 cylinder TD5 is a much more refined and powerful unit than the 200/300tdi's in the Disco1.
ES -was top of the range early on, then they brought out the HSE.
Expect 25-30mpg at best

VED is indeed £270

My second choice if I was to move away from LandRover all together would be a Toyota Landcruiser. (preferably an Amazon)
 
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I don't agree with that. The maximum amount of VED for a car class vehicle before March 2006 is currently £270. It will not therefore cost you £400?

Hey, nobody's perfect eh?
Last time I looked at td5's was when the retrospective ved increase was being proposed for vehicles from 2001 onward and the duty was said to be pushing 400 quid.
Too bad I don't work for the dvla.
 
For that price range I would be going for a Disco 2 also. Any 90 or 110 at that price is likely to need some work. I would steer clear of P38's in general.

Drive a TD5 D2 and drive a V8 on LPG if you can too, they cost pretty much the same to run.
 
Daihatsu Fourtrak

Brilliant 4x4's. Used them for the past 15 years for various things, towing horses/caravans and farm work. Bomb proof engines although body work does seem to go on them though if not looked after.
 
Mk2.5 Shogun. 3.0 petrol or 3.5 petrol. This shape:

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These are the last of the ones that have a proper separate chassis, the newer shapes have a monocoque design, which isn't as good.

Don't get a diesel. They're not as powerful, MPG isn't any better, if anything worse when towing.

For £3.5k you should easily be able to pick up a late (99ish) 3.5 petrol, with multi-point LPG.
 
Well we got one, we originally went to a garage to look at a selection of Land Rover Discoverys and came away with a Silver 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited.

The GF is happy with it, seems nice to drive, although is still prefer my Mondeo as i aint a fan of Auto's.
 
Nice choice, funnily enough, I've just bought a 2003 Silver Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited as well with the dark blue leather interior... mental money. Paid £2.8k, it's got all the silver bull bars on the front and side, Parrot I9200 system and LPG conversion... 87k miles on the clock, A1 mint condition... well chuffed.

Have to say looks funny sat on the drive next to an RX8 and a Type R... dwarfs both of them... we got the 4.0ltr straight six, what did you get?
 
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