Girl found dead in house with dogs 'out of control'
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Impressive use of selective quoting there. He even said in the post "any dog", or are you choosing to overlook that bit?
But of course people are talking about Staffs more at the moment, as they're (most of) the dogs in question in this report.
Impressive use of selective quoting there. He even said in the post "any dog", or are you choosing to overlook that bit?
But of course people are talking about Staffs more at the moment, as they're (most of) the dogs in question in this report.
Read post #34. He quite clearly says "staff owners".
Any dog could potentially be dangerous but the different breeds have very different origins, staffies typically come from bloodlines that have either been bred for range hunting, range companion dogs or to a lesser degree fighting dogs and this does make a big difference when compared to a breed thats purely been bred as say a house dog.
For the people with only the negative things to say about staffs..
Could you tell me what personal bad experiences you had? Also if it happened in public would you say the dogs owner was a respectable looking person or someone you would class as a bit of a scrote.. Alternatively could you be honest you opinion is based purely on media stories you've read over the years, or other people's reasons.
I'm interested because my aunt has always had staffs that were very well behaved, I've always liked staffs, my girlfriend owns a staff. And I spent almost a year as a postman walking the streets of a very rough estate and only bad dog experiences came from bad owners, and various breeds.
I feel a lot of people just jump on the bandwagon
Could you tell me what personal bad experiences you had? Also if it happened in public would you say the dogs owner was a respectable looking person or someone you would class as a bit of a scrote.. Alternatively could you be honest you opinion is based purely on media stories you've read over the years, or other people's reasons.
I'm interested because my aunt has always had staffs that were very well behaved, I've always liked staffs, my girlfriend owns a staff. And I spent almost a year as a postman walking the streets of a very rough estate and only bad dog experiences came from bad owners, and various breeds.
I feel a lot of people just jump on the bandwagon
I agree.
It always depends on the owners, I lived with this staffy for a year and it was probably the most friendly and nice dog I ever met:
in before the bleeding heart killer dogs lovers, blame the owners,
oops too late
"any dog can turn into a rabid killer" - not 'every' dog is built to kill like a staffie etc,
"it was the owner who turned it into a maniac !!" - no it wasn't, don't be naïve, psycho dogs are like psycho humans, they just are....
anything else go look the parents of this poor kid in the eye and tell them what you think about these 'poor' dogs.
thoughts with the family at this moment
oops too late
"any dog can turn into a rabid killer" - not 'every' dog is built to kill like a staffie etc,
"it was the owner who turned it into a maniac !!" - no it wasn't, don't be naïve, psycho dogs are like psycho humans, they just are....
anything else go look the parents of this poor kid in the eye and tell them what you think about these 'poor' dogs.
thoughts with the family at this moment
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[TW]Fox;24010385 said:
Because they're the currently fashionable dog for moronic brain dead chavs to use as some sort of status symbol as they get dragged down the road by a pair of barely controlled dogs in their wifebeater vests and Reebok Classics.
Wind the clock back 10 years and it was Rottweilers and OMG they're so so dangerous, they should all be banned etc. etc. but now it's much rarer you hear of one have done something 'dangerous'. Did the breed change characteristic in a decade or perhaps did they just become less commonly owned by the sort of brain dead ***** that wants an aggresive dog?
Both breed and owner responsibility play a part.
Take snakes for example, certain breeds of snake are very docile, others are by nature more snappy and unpredictable, certainly not suitable for pets unless the owner is very experienced.
I don't know why people think dogs are any different in that respect...
Take snakes for example, certain breeds of snake are very docile, others are by nature more snappy and unpredictable, certainly not suitable for pets unless the owner is very experienced.
I don't know why people think dogs are any different in that respect...
in before the bleeding heart killer dogs lovers, blame the owners,
oops too late
Think people just like to defend something that they have personally only had good experiences with. Not surprisingly.
Read it yourself, "any dog".
I know it may be hard to understand, but he's saying that (and this is the key bit), any dog can be dangerous, and he's surprised how many Staff owners (referring to Staffs as they're the example in this story) don't realise they're dangerous animals.
Nowhere did he say that *only* Staffs are dangerous, as you seem to want to claim. He singled them out (your words, not mine), as they're the ones we're talking about. It would be a bit silly to refer to a poodle here, as they're just not relevant to the topic.
Make sense yet?
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Are owners responsible for a dogs actions, i.e. if someone was walking a dog in the park and it killed a child would the owner be prosecuted?
The reason I mentioned Staffs in particular is due to this reputation that they are great around kids, which is true. But owners should be aware that although good with kids they should never be left unattended as if the dog did ever attack the child it has the potential to do serious harm.
The same goes for any large dog really, but most large dogs don't have this same 'great around kids' reputation.
I think they are a great breed of dog and have known a few people who owned them. I just think it's this belief that it's only the dogs treated bad that will attack that is the problem.
Yes but they are clearly more prone to being violent, even though they may be fine in most cases.
No dog is 100% safe. Ever.
From personal experience the owner has usually been a bit of a scrote - its more complicated than that tho as sometimes they have more than on dog and its generally the pit bulls (not so much these days) and staffies that have been acting agressively and the other dogs friendlier or just ignore you totally.
I think its also complicated by the fact that many of the ones people own these days have come from bloodlines that have been bred as companion dogs and in more contemporary settings more used to living around humans as house dogs and aren't naturally as agressive as those who come from lines bred for more agressive behavior (which was probably more common when they got a bad name) but its something you can't always be sure of.
Incident thats really set me against them tho is a friend getting mauled by their grandparents (who are fairly respectable people) staffy despite showing all the symptoms of it they'd just shrug it off as its always so nice around the other side of the family that it was more used to being around. It was reported in the western gazette around 1993 or so.
in before the bleeding heart killer dogs lovers, blame the owners,
oops too late
"any dog can turn into a rabid killer" - not 'every' dog is built to kill like a staffie etc,
"it was the owner who turned it into a maniac !!" - no it wasn't, don't be naïve, psycho dogs are like psycho humans, they just are....
anything else go look the parents of this poor kid in the eye and tell them what you think about these 'poor' dogs.
thoughts with the family at this moment
What person in their right mind would send an individual in to a house alone knowing there would be a dog waiting to greet them? Moreso, what person in their right mind would enter said house except that for an innocent child?
you can never know what a dog is going to do for sure when you are the leader and you are not there... if you are a rubbish owner and the dog does not see you are leader you can probably guess what they are going to do better... its its does not matter as much if you are there or not
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it doesn't really mention what she was there for or what her relationship with the dog owners was.
at a guess id say its likely to be something corrupt like drugs or something.
One of my mates has a Rottwelier/Doberman cross. Its totally huge weighs like 9 stone. He's soft and playful, does tug of war etc but hell if he ever snapped I don't even...
at a guess id say its likely to be something corrupt like drugs or something.
One of my mates has a Rottwelier/Doberman cross. Its totally huge weighs like 9 stone. He's soft and playful, does tug of war etc but hell if he ever snapped I don't even...
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