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[PCWORLD] AMD provides a sneak peek at its Radeon HD 7990

I'll allow it seeing as you asked nicely. If you make me a bacon sandwich i will even let you throw in a low profile 5450 for good measure.

Do you take butter in your bap or just solo bacon ;)

Forget the 5450, run a 610 as a PhysX card! :p
 
Well you can get a 7970 for 280 ish when you remove the price gouging. This will be cheaper to make than 2 7970's

£499 to £549 MAX
 
Going by how the 690 is more expensive than 2 x 680's I would agree with £600 - £650 pricing.

Matt here you go ;)

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It will still get compared to a Titan though if its priced considerably cheaper. I'd personally think hey i can have titan beating performance for less, but maybe that's just me.

Course it will get compared to a single Titan, don't the reviews compare Titan/690/7970 CF/680SLi?

It's not as simple as saying Titans aimed here or there, I was going to buy into Titan if it was £600 or less and take a shot on the dark side, but at it's price, there was simply no chance I was taking a hit in performance for double the cash for my gaming needs.

Sure the Titan is a cracker, but it's not the be all and end all to the enthusiast in me that's more than capable running SLi/CrossFire setups, that spends his money wisely.

Now I compare my oc'ed 7950's(£450 with two AAA games and punting the other set of codes) against oc'ed Titan and sit with a huge grin from ear to ear as I kept £450 in my pocket.:D

Before anyone says anything about 2x7950's im thinking like so because i don't have a suitable motherboard for multi gpu xfire.

tommy's going to let you into a little secret matt, but don't tell anyone:


1 x MSI Z77 MPower Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 ATX Motherboard with FREE F1 RC Car & MSI HDD Enclosure £139.99



add that onto £450 7950's, takes you to £580 with even more cash back from selling your current MB.;)

=Fun, fun fun.
 
Course it will get compared to a single Titan, don't the reviews compare Titan/690/7970 CF/680SLi?

It's not as simple as saying Titans aimed here or there, I was going to buy into Titan if it was £600 or less and take a shot on the dark side, but at it's price, there was simply no chance I was taking a hit in performance for double the cash for my gaming needs.

Exactly, so price/performance is more important to you.

It is that simple. It's the same with John Lewis - it unashamedly markets at the middle classes and above. Titan is aimed at people who want the best single GPU and is priced as such. Not as simple to categorise it into classes here but essentially it's the same principle. The Titan isn't aimed at paupers like you and I with 7950 crossfire set up's :D - i.e. best high end price/performance ratio - it's aimed at those who want the best with the option of expanding to a robust two card set up in future which will eclipse everything (at present).

So yes a 7990 can be compared to a Titan but it's just important to understand that there's more than just price/performance to consider and that the people that are considering a Titan in the first place aren't likely to consider a 7990 anyway for the reasons already mentioned. If they were going to consider a 7990 then they'd probably have a 7950 CF set up like us already :D.
 
Exactly, so price/performance is more important to you.

Unashamedly yes, it's that simple. :)

I'm fully aware that there's a market in Titan, I'm in no dispute there.:)

It's the cream of the crop and the single gpu champ but there is a difference to can't buy into Titan and won't buy into Titan, I'm the later due to best bang for buck and put my cash into better things than PC gaming like renovating the other house in Tuscany.;):D

4 Titans will eclipse anything AMD currently has to offer, some will do it because they have deep pockets/simply must have the best of the best/want a tiny powerhouse PC.

Titan sales will trickle in comparison as the majority spend money wisely on the whole, Titans aren't exactly in short supply which is all down to the cost.

Price/performance is the biggest selling point for the majority, look at all the converts AMD's getting here@OcUK alone, there is a huge jump in ship to AMD-dodgy game Nvidia's playing and could possibly bite them where it hurts.



:)
 
Course it will get compared to a single Titan, don't the reviews compare Titan/690/7970 CF/680SLi?

It will but it needs to be compared to the 690. Dual chip Vs dual chip. I wouldn't compare CF 7850's to a 7970 and say 7850's are your winner because they are cheaper and faster.

It's not as simple as saying Titans aimed here or there, I was going to buy into Titan if it was £600 or less and take a shot on the dark side, but at it's price, there was simply no chance I was taking a hit in performance for double the cash for my gaming needs.

Still banging the price drum I see Tommy.

Sure the Titan is a cracker, but it's not the be all and end all to the enthusiast in me that's more than capable running SLi/CrossFire setups, that spends his money wisely.

Titan is the fastest single core card out. Show me where 4 other cards can compete? Until AMD release a card that competes, Titan stands on top of the tree gloating.

Now I compare my oc'ed 7950's(£450 with two AAA games and punting the other set of codes) against oc'ed Titan and sit with a huge grin from ear to ear as I kept £450 in my pocket.:D

What are you comparing them to? I assume going from the £450 saving you are still crying about the price of Titan.

tommy's going to let you into a little secret matt, but don't tell anyone:

1 x MSI Z77 MPower Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 ATX Motherboard with FREE F1 RC Car & MSI HDD Enclosure £139.99



add that onto £450 7950's, takes you to £580 with even more cash back from selling your current MB.;)

=Fun, fun fun.
 
Come on now big stuff:

Unashamedly yes, it's that simple. :)

I'm fully aware that there's a market in Titan, I'm in no dispute there.:)

It's the cream of the crop and the single gpu champ but there is a difference to can't buy into Titan and won't buy into Titan, I'm the later due to best bang for buck and put my cash into better things than PC gaming like renovating the other house in Tuscany.;):D

4 Titans will eclipse anything AMD currently has to offer, some will do it because they have deep pockets/simply must have the best of the best/want a tiny powerhouse PC.

Titan sales will trickle in comparison as the majority spend money wisely on the whole, Titans aren't exactly in short supply which is all down to the cost.

Price/performance is the biggest selling point for the majority, look at all the converts AMD's getting here@OcUK alone, there is a huge jump in ship to AMD-dodgy game Nvidia's playing and could possibly bite them where it hurts.



:)

There is zero moaning about the price from me, no scathing attack from me, plain for all to see.

Simply discussing/comparing what I can power better on half the cost, and that most will do it tommy's way.:D

When folks say they won't buy into it greg, it's not always about an attack on Titan pricing.

It's looking like you have the bigger issue about it though greg:( but I understand your feelings on the matter due to the amount of flak your taking personal when it's aimed at Nvidia.:)
 
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There is zero moaning about the price from me, no scathing attack from me, plain for all to see.

Simply discussing/comparing what I can power better on half the cost, and that most will do it tommy's way.:D

When folks say they won't buy into it greg, it's not always about an attack on Titan pricing.

It's looking like you have the bigger issue about it though greg:( but I understand your feelings on the matter due to the amount of flak your taking personal when it's aimed at Nvidia.:)

Fair play and you kind of contradict yourself in the post after mine but let's not go there :)

YOUR BASKET
1 x OcUK HD 7990 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £719.99
Total : £731.39 (includes shipping : £9.50).



That is the price for a 7990 that OcUK have for sale (and a stonking card/good price). It is when you compare the 7990 (not a fair comparison but hey ho) to the Titan and you can see that Titan isn't so badly priced. A single card solution is always the better option for simple things like noise/power/support/heat, so for this, I can see why people would buy either a 690/7990/Titan. You can't dismiss those issues and I know my leg gets toasty warm after a few hours of gaming.

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The 7990 has an average performance increase of 19% over a single Titan. The Titan has 6GB of VRAM (and I know you love a bit of VRAM :p) and you can add a further 3 Titans, where you can only add 1 more 7990. You know as well as I do that 19% translates into very few frames per second.

Now after CF/SLI, it does get a little bit meh with scaling and you need some serious overclocks on a high end CPU to stop the bottleneck.

This is me looking outside the box from a complete neutral POV and money not being an object. :)
 
Nothing wrong with comparing this card with Titan. If it can cope just as well as Titan at multi monitor resolutions then why wouldn't anyone buy it as it will most likely be cheaper.
 
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