Silly bint gets free boobs on the NHS

[EvilDreams]

Unhappy with the way you look?

Tough ****.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I see some speculative debate and a lot of one post losers popping in to drop some abuse about her face.
Is this forum a subset of the Sun now? They didn't actually call the girl ugly themselves, but in the same way the Mail operates they have clearly set her up for abuse by photographing her in unprofessional makeup and spinning her lines. This place just fell for it, push trigger, make the piggies squeal.

I'm not sure what you expect debate to be, by nature it is speculative as otherwise it's purely statement of fact. The number of posts that people have made doesn't have any bearing on whether their contribution is worthwhile or not.

Essentially the mods are allowing the continued personal abuse of a girl for clearly factious reasons, now that may be a grey area in the law but it a very clear wrong in terms of principle. Pretending that she hasn't read this doesn't make this OK, any more than whispers in a playground.

It's always been clear that personal abuse directed to members is not allowed, comments about people who put themselves in the public eye are viewed differently.

Equally they could delete all the personal abuse as irrelevant, but they haven't. Tacit approval of group bullying IMO, where saying something solely intended to hurt has the same status as debate.
You know I'm right, I'm just waiting for a mod with some principles to step up before this place turns into 4Chan.

Ah, so when comments remain that you disagree with then the moderator cannot have principles? The not so subtle inference would appear to be an attempt to get your own opinions entrenched as the correct ones - "if you agree with me you're a moral person".

It's only a few months since some of you were going over the top with a female poster until someone pointed out what creeps you all were. Que some rapid tail hiding and a sudden reversal of attitude. It is not OK to abuse people, either to their face or hiding behind a keyboard.

Kindly refresh my memory as to who you are referencing?

THAT, is the level of this thread :/

If you can point me to any post where I've called this girl ugly or indeed suggested that she shouldn't have had the operation I'll apologise. If not I'm sure you'll be modifying what you've just said to reflect the fact that it's not everyone who has made such comments.

 

[atpbx]

Isn't that what happens in an office when the new girl has something said to her? That if she takes offence then she's a humourless prig?
I don't see a lot of funny stuff here, I see a lot of misogynist hate unleashed on an easy target. As a male I doesn't see that as a proper way to behave.
I don't accept that they intend anyone else to find it funny either, I think it's done purely out of satisfying their dislike. Since when did witless abuse become funny anyway?

Actually I think that it is this place that is taking it too seriously (I'm not the angry one here). Some girl has a boob job, she's probably not the classiest girl on the estate, she probably doesn't realise that she has been expertly turning into tabloid fodder, but this was a Doctors decision, if that Doctor is wrong then blame the Doctor - he is the professional here.

Where people are being OTT on this is that they have a frustration on a perceived NHS spending issue, they want to expend that frustration at a target but they are (wrongly) choosing to be abusive toward her face. Not about funding, or what poor classless people choose to do or how distorted our culture is - but on a girls face.


Re comedians, I think you must be thinking of "edgy comedy", which is the closest to this thread.
I can't say I like Frankie Boyle type jokes, I can see why some do because of the lemon sucking effect, but to me it lacks wit.

No you are just reading to much into it and over reacting.

Its an ugly bird whos managed to get some big fake plastic **** for free who wants to be a glamor model.

THATS the joke.

Thats where the humor is in this case.

 

[bitslice]

So what? People have made some comments/jokes about her face. Big deal.

Well is a (relatively small) deal to me, it has gone on for too long, adds nothing to the forum except expose a lot of slightly unpleasant individuals as being boorish inbreds. To me when I see something like this going on then I have to say something, obviously I'm going to get abuse for sticking my neck out but that's why it has to be said. I would feel lessened had I kept my mouth shut and fitted in.

You didnt really answer my question anyway. Do you enjoy panel shows (Never Mind the Buzzcocks, 8 out of 10 cats, Have I Got News for You, Mock The Week e.t.c)? I am just wondering if it is ok with you for Jimmy Carr to take the mickey out of what someone looks like?

HIGNFY, Mock the week I like, I've not seen the others.
It's OK for Jimmy Carr to make a living out of his form of humour, it's not mine though and his laugh is the most annoying thing ever.
Besides, forums are a community, TV is just entertainment.

As an example, comedians often mercilessly take the mickey out of Susan Boyle and what she looks like. That should be banned according to you, yes?

Where did I say anyone should be banned? I'd like the comments to be deleted (as spam) but that to me is just in line with posters being abusive to posters.
People laughing at the mocking of Boyles face have their own standards, each to their own, I'm not going to fit in and laugh with them just to be cool.

Pointless abuse adds nothing to a forum, it just degrades everyone that associates themselves with it. Slippery slope and all that.

 

[Jono8]

HIGNFY, Mock the week I like, I've not seen the others.
It's OK for Jimmy Carr to make a living out of his form of humour, it's not mine though and his laugh is the most annoying thing ever.
Besides, forums are a community, TV is just entertainment.
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What a strange viewpoint. You think it is ok for people to go on television in front of millions of people and take the mickey out of people/ "abuse" people (and get paid huge sums of money in the process) but it isnt ok for people on an internet forum to do the same thing?

Where did I say anyone should be banned? I'd like the comments to be deleted (as spam) but that to me is just in line with posters being abusive to posters.
People laughing at the mocking of Boyles face have their own standards, each to their own, I'm not going to fit in and laugh with them just to be cool.

Um, you were calling for the mods to step in and delete peoples posts earlier . I didnt say anyone should be banned either. I was talking about the action of "verbally abusing" people being banned.

You say you like Mock the Week, was that also when Frankie Boyle was on the show because by the sounds of things, you would be throwing constant fits at the things he says!?

 

[bitslice]

The number of posts that people have made doesn't have any bearing on whether their contribution is worthwhile or not.

Not as literal as that, just the post and run type.

comments about people who put themselves in the public eye are viewed differently.

So there is no limit to abuse? Even if it clearly displays the sort of attitude that society otherwise condemns. Sort of makes a mockery of using a term that someone overly PC deems politically incorrect as of this week, compared to clearly nasty descriptions of another human being.

The not so subtle inference would appear to be an attempt to get your own opinions entrenched as the correct ones - "if you agree with me you're a moral person".

Morality is subjective I'm not putting my own out for a baseline, but I'd like others to look at what they have said and decide if that is the person they are. I am suggesting that what has been said in here has grossly overstepped the mark based on past membership of this forum.
Pick a forum standard that you want to moderate to, one for adults or one for 4Chan kids.

If you can point me to any post where I've called this girl ugly

Did I suggest this?

 

[Kenai]

Talking to teenagers stopped being interesting when I also stopped being a teenager

You're doing it all wrong if you're just talking to them

 

[bitslice]

What a strange viewpoint. You think it is ok for people to go on television in front of millions of people and take the mickey out of people/ "abuse" people (and get paid huge sums of money in the process) but it isnt ok for people on an internet forum to do the same thing?

Yes, one is a community that I invest time in and as such I hope makes for a more helpful place for other people.
One is a box with an OFF button.

I don't care about boxes, but I do care about a community being a nice place to be. Abusing people to look cool runs counter to this.

Um

Umm? sorry
ah, think I get it.
I think I'm objecting to how long this goes on for in that it becomes a bandwagon, bandwagons have lower standards so it encourages more off topic posting.
I don't know quite how you encourage people to sit on their hands, but I do think this thread reflects badly on OC as a community.

You say you like Mock the Week, was that also when Frankie Boyle was on the show because by the sounds of things, you would be throwing constant fits at the things he says!?

I'm not throwing a fit now
No, I look at him and just see a mechanical form of humour, where you take a bunch of taboos and run over them. Spastics - tick, kids with Cancer - tick, there is no elegance there, not even the nihilist anger behind punk. Just ringing the bell and getting the dog to react. It's interesting only in that it reveals that we are not simply more tolerant now, just that we are entirely disinterested in what other people say or do.

 

[Jono8]

No, I look at him and just see a mechanical form of humour, where you take a bunch of taboos and run over them. Spastics - tick, kids with Cancer - tick, there is no elegance there, not even the nihilist anger behind punk. Just ringing the bell and getting the dog to react. It's interesting only in that it reveals that we are not simply more tolerant now, just that we are entirely disinterested in what other people say or do.

and i look at the comments about her face in this thread and see exactly the same thing.

For some reason though, you seem to think it is ok if a highly paid comedian does it in front of millions of people, as long as you can just turn it off I am sorry but i am so totally lost on what you think is morally right and wrong, I don't know where to start

When you watch those programmes you are watching people discuss topics, like you do on this forum, and like the comedians (and Frankie Boyle) on tv, the large majority of people that will post/say something "abusive" on here will be doing it to get a laugh/get a reaction.

 

[bitslice]

and i look at the comments about her face in this thread and see exactly the same thing.

How would you spot someone acting out of spite then? Is spite the same as humour because Frankie Boyle is on telly?
Clearly some men are not that nice, you are asking everyone to tolerate their bile because you personally find it funny. That's asking everyone to swim to the bottom of the pool.

For some reason though, you seem to think it is ok if a highly paid comedian does it in front of millions of people, as long as you can just turn it off I am sorry but i am so totally lost on what you think is morally right and wrong, I don't know where to start

TV reflects a wide range of culture, most of it asinine, forums don't have to cater to bottom feeders and can create a culture of their own. Attract the right people and some forums become the funniest places on Earth because of a shared sense of values and common understandings.
So great, you want a Frankie Boyle forum because you like that humour, I find it predictable and want something more like Magnolia
The problem I have is that most forums gravitate towards Boyle because it's witless and anyone can be more crude than the next kid, it is hard to go the other way.

When you watch those programmes you are watching people discuss topics, like you do on this forum, and like the comedians (and Frankie Boyle) on tv, the large majority of people that will post/say something "abusive" on here will be doing it to get a laugh/get a reaction.

I think you are confusing a group of Etonian comedians with a forum of unfunny blokes, trotting out lines like a "Shovel to the face would have made her pretty" wasn't particularly hilarious when Bernard Manning was saying it back in the 70's

 

[Jono8]

How would you spot someone acting out of spite then? Is spite the same as humour because Frankie Boyle is on telly?
Clearly some men are not that nice, you are asking everyone to tolerate their bile because you personally find it funny. That's asking everyone to swim to the bottom of the pool.


TV reflects a wide range of culture, most of it asinine, forums don't have to cater to bottom feeders and can create a culture of their own. Attract the right people and some forums become the funniest places on Earth because of a shared sense of values and common understandings.
So great, you want a Frankie Boyle forum because you like that humour, I find it predictable and want something more like Magnolia
The problem I have is that most forums gravitate towards Boyle because it's witless and anyone can be more crude than the next kid, it is hard to go the other way.


I think you are confusing a group of Etonian comedians with a forum of unfunny blokes,

So now what you can say is based on where you were educated?

All i want is a simple answer as to why you think it is ok for a group of comedians on TV to make silly "abusive" comments on news articles but it isnt ok for a group of people on an internet forum to do so.

I dont understand why you think being able to turn the tv off makes any difference. You can also not look in threads you don't like or just block people you think are stupid or those you dont agree with.

Just for the record, i havent said i want a "Frankie Boyle" forum as you put it. I enjoy a "shovel to her face" joke as much as the next person but i also like Magnolia's humour as well. Variety is the spice of life!

You seem adamant that we shouldnt say anything, joke or not, that might be deemed abusive or offensive to someone which is not something i want on a community forum.

 

[V F]

Interesting, because i think you may be taking this place too seriously and should probably realise that most of the people posting "abuse" are simply just trying to get a laugh from people. That is why i come on this forum...for a laugh.

Do you think every comedian that regularly takes the mickey out of people should keep quiet?

Every comedy panel show i have ever watched will be packed full of exactly what is happening on this forum. Do you want those banned/shut down as well?

I really do miss the days of Ken Dodd, Freddie Starr, Brian Connelly and Billy Connelly. Only Peter Kay is up there from past generations into todays style. Steve Hughes a bit funny as well.

 

[bitslice]

So now what you can say is based on where you were educated?

No, just that intelligent, clever, quirky, dry humour is funnier than crass formulaic or Benny Hill humour.

All i want is a simple answer as to why you think it is ok for a group of comedians on TV to make silly "abusive" comments on news articles but it isnt ok for a group of people on an internet forum to do so.

Answered this?
TV is pushed at a range of paid subscribers in the hope of making a percentage happy, a forum is a effort to make a social group amongst like minded people (4chan for the *****, OC for clever geeks)

I dont understand why you think being able to turn the tv off makes any difference. You can also not look in threads you don't like or just block people you think are stupid or those you dont agree with.

Blocking people is childish, I posted in this thread why shouldn't I look at it? Like I said, forums are a group effort, you get out what you put in. TV is passive and really a bit irrelevant now.

I enjoy a "shovel to her face" joke as much as the next person but i also like Magnolia's humour as well. Variety is the spice of life!

I still refute that any of these people posted in order to be humourous, that's just a convenient fabrication to excuse their boorish nature. Not unlike 'he pinched her bum because it was funny and the humourless cow didn't laugh, she must be a lesbian, and with a face like that, gagging for it too' - and whoosh, straight back to the 70's clubs.

I'll stick with magnolia, kwerk and the debate offered by all the clever people in here, the 4chan crowd can get lost.

You seem adamant that we shouldnt say anything, joke or not, that might be deemed abusive or offensive to someone which is not something i want on a community forum.

We have a whole raft of politically correct dribble that we can't even hint at for fear that someone, somewhere might construe it as mildly pouting in their general direction.
I'm merely objecting to the ongoing bandwagon of crass comments here, posted purely with the intention of saying something nasty about someone involved with a touchy subject.
Equally it's the insidious nature of the comments - not just at her possible stupidity in involving the press, her stuck on boobs or her tacky choice of career, but simply her face - because as men well all know that making a comment about a girl's face (or even a spot) is the one thing that is absolutely guaranteed to hurt. Therefore it is the one thing a decent bloke should avoid commenting on.


I think I've covered what I wanted to say, and I'd really rather watch a film now?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

The story sells papers (to morons who are interested in crap like that)

Superb
You do realise that by posting you have just become a moron like the rest of us?

the moronic public for buying the paper

Brilliant again.
It's a big secret but there is an online version for free which if you're posting you must have read yourself.

 

[Derek W]

Superb
You do realise that by posting you have just become a moron like the rest of us?



Brilliant again.
It's a big secret but there is an online version for free which if you're posting you must have read yourself.

do i have a copy of that paper? No. Did i visit the website or did i read it here?

 

[V F]

Only having read some of this thread, I never knew about this thread until late on. Since there was scans of a paper and scans sitting on a sofa from Daybreak. I'm also shocked how hostile some people are in this thread regarding the topic, like as if we're supposedly living in Utopia. It being a fair world and all that.

Some of the responses in this thread it's going on like the universe just ripped itself apart. How personal some people have taken to this story. As if some people are about to go on a crusade to seek her out for wrong doing or just pure hate.

Plus from mostly reading this thread, most of it wasn't really about her but from so many responses with bags over heads and what they wanted to do. That I found very disturbing. It was like reading some peoples disturbed fetish for rape and violence.

I can't get my head round how some people can take it so personal. I probably would still not have heard about this if I hadn't come across this thread. I actually haven't even heard any of this on the TV or radio. Plus that and the fact I've been rarely watching the news the past week. It being the silly news week.


Funny how so many people can't direct that emotion when it comes to politicians or voting days. Maybe then things wouldn't be so screwed up.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

do i have a copy of that paper? No. Did i visit the website or did i read it here?

And neither did any of us morons buy a paper so just like us you showed interest in an online story and contributed to something you have no interest in.
Welcome to the fold, don't be embarrassed.

 

[Derek W]

And neither did any of us morons buy a paper so just like us you showed interest in an online story and contributed to something you have no interest in.
Welcome to the fold, don't be embarrassed.

think you need to read the context of my reply rather than just selective quoting. but then again you'd probably still miss the point

 

[Unicorn]

Just seen the photos of her topless shoot and my only response is.. RAGEEE I like my tax being spent properly

 

[theleg]

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