DVLA site can't find that car either. Never had that fail before, even for my old cars that have been off the road since the 90s
How bad a deal is this, pug 206 2.0
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DVLA site can't find that car either. Never had that fail before, even for my old cars that have been off the road since the 90s
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I'll see it tomorrow, I'll take a few snaps of a 350 quid car! It's very good for the cash when you see it.
I stand corrected from my original view of avoid at all costs.
Central locking not working is hardly the end of the world for a £350 car.
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He's got the car now and driving it. Not sure if you noticed my last posts?
It's been checked out and just needs a new track rod end. Central locking works fine but as said... Hardly a big deal if it never.
Carbs are not far off as good and don't cost the earth. I had a choice with my Mi16 conversion, carbs or trottle boddies, I went twin weber 45 carbs... they rocked lol only cost £600 notes as well!
I wasnt sure that was the case with the EW10 in the 206,
With XU in the Mi16 you used to get like what 15 hp extra?
Put TBs (And just TB's, No cams) on a EW10 (the 138hp one) and you end up with about 180 hp and very decent mid range torque too. 42 hp gain :O
If the XU10J4RS in my GTi-6 geos bang i might just get a EW conversion, The block is 20kg lighter too and stronger/stiffer.
Aluminium block see.
With XU in the Mi16 you used to get like what 15 hp extra?
Put TBs (And just TB's, No cams) on a EW10 (the 138hp one) and you end up with about 180 hp and very decent mid range torque too. 42 hp gain :O
If the XU10J4RS in my GTi-6 geos bang i might just get a EW conversion, The block is 20kg lighter too and stronger/stiffer.
Aluminium block see.
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It is the 130 odd bhp one.
That's a new one on me then, because basically the only difference betwen carbs and throttle bodies is their basically electronically controlled and you can tune a little more precisely, I've never seen a Pug of any kind get that kind fo result simply from throttle bodies or carbs on an NA engine. Have you got any examples, as I'd be astounded. I would expect (and I'm no expert on the 206 engine btw), that on a 2.0ltr 138bhp engine you'd get around 15-20bhp on carbs and possibly around 25bhp (possibly 30bhp TOPS) with a well calibrated TB conversion... basically they're doing the same thing! However, I'll obviously be pursueded otherwise, the only reason I could see that you could get that kind of power out of that engine is if it's really restricted in the first place, i.e. poor selection of injectors (small), bad breathing...a combo of these or simply a de-tuned GTI180 engine? I can't for the life of me think what the differnece is apart from compression ratio? However, like I say, I'm not good on the 206 engine as we never modified one personally (unlike the GTi-6, Mi16, 1.4 Rallye's etc)...
On the flip side, a set of brand new TB's PLUS setup and tuning would be around £1,800-2,000k+... a set of Carbs can be had and fitted yourself for £800-1k and a rolling road tune and setup will set them perfectly. However, idling will be worse, cold starting etc... BUT still be a sweet setup.
I would expect to take a 138bhp engine to 180-200 would require, Carbs/TB conversions, Longman inlet manifold, solid lifters with fast road cam and "possibly" some head work, possibly bigger inlet valves (if that's possible on the 206)... infact it'd need it I'd have thought. Kiss good bye to some serious cash there... and then after that the manifold and exhaust would probably restrict it as well.
Do you know of Sandy Brown?
He been doing a lot of EW's lately in place of XU's etc for the Rally car builds etc he does.
If you havent heard of him he's pretty much the biggest name in Peugeot engine rebuild etc, But also does the odd ford sigma
Heres a longmans 138 review form back in the day,
I forgot it needed management, but without a exhaust manifold and exhaust the figure is 185hp
With its 190
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/39687/peugeot_206_gti.html
He been doing a lot of EW's lately in place of XU's etc for the Rally car builds etc he does.
If you havent heard of him he's pretty much the biggest name in Peugeot engine rebuild etc, But also does the odd ford sigma
Heres a longmans 138 review form back in the day,
I forgot it needed management, but without a exhaust manifold and exhaust the figure is 185hp
With its 190
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/39687/peugeot_206_gti.html
This isn't skip brown is it, on the A442 think it is to telford? Will take a read... cheers matey.
EDIT: Coolio, ok fair play... however, I'd also argue that if they'd gone with Carbs, they'd only be 10bhp behind tops, I really don't see the benefit in TB's apart from getting every single last bit of power from an engine... apart from more tunable in the fact that you can set idling better, and also calibrate through the rev range better so it'll be a better responding car. It also point to the fact that this engine is really detuned and restricted as "normally" you'd never expect increases like this just from that kind of replacement. 42bhp is a lot and I reckon you'd see 30+ easily with a set of weber 45's instead of the 40mm TB's and save yourself a fortune £3k is a lot of money.
Does highlight what a wasted opertunity that engine is though so cheers for that, never realised they were so tunable. It also says that with the right internals that I listed above done also, you could hit 220-230bhp on this engine reliably... blimey
Maybe Pug's weren't that bad hey lol.
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Oh yeah apparently the weak spot of these is the cams are very mild and both manifolds are cack.
That 190 Hp has the normal cams, Swap them and you are laughing.
WAY more torque than something like a Clio 200 too at similar power, So more usable.
230 hp would be a piece of cake.
You could get bike bodies anyway to save cost gsxr1000 ones are well regarded iirc.
Theres a bloke on 205 drivers with a supercharged standard compression and internals one on 320 hp
WTF?!
That 190 Hp has the normal cams, Swap them and you are laughing.
WAY more torque than something like a Clio 200 too at similar power, So more usable.
230 hp would be a piece of cake.
You could get bike bodies anyway to save cost gsxr1000 ones are well regarded iirc.
Theres a bloke on 205 drivers with a supercharged standard compression and internals one on 320 hp
WTF?!