hate crime against sub cultures now recorded

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-22018888

Good news, but why has it taken so long for the first police service in the UK to start found this?

I know people who have been put into hospital for being a 'goth' or 'emo' before the woman mentioned in the article passed away in 2007. How is it that these figures are only being recorded now?

I wonder how effective this might be anyway, seeing as most people don't label themselves as goths or similar, but are labelled so by others.
 
This will probably start a flaming war, but the way I see it most of this is caused by the "chav" type people. Uneducated, no desire to work, hoody and sport clothed delinquents.

That's where we should start :D
 
Hate crimes for subculture... does this also include 'Chavs'?

Can of worms because if Goth are protected, why shouldn't 'Chavs' be?
 
CaNsA said:
Is it?
Or has it opened the flood gates for a "blanket hate crime" law to be abused by the police?

inb4
"I am not a goth, I am a unique individual who socialises with other unique individuals"
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I don't think having seven shades beaten out of you for something as innocuous as dressing in a certain style or listening to a certain kind of music is really abuse of the laws.

Doesn't matter what subculture you identify with.
 
To be honest this is typical of the poor social and moral values of society today. Some people don't accept or embrace that we live in a world of different beliefs and cultures, and then because they dress differently or have different beliefs they start hating.

This to me is no different to different religions getting on and starting wars over it. To me it is narrow minded and barbaric!

In my own personal opinion it is the 'chav' culture of people in the UK that are the worst for it and most of the time, the cause of it.

Rant over!
 
I agree. Send them all back.

If they dont like they shouldn't move to our country. Stupid Goths.
 
Theophany said:
I don't think having seven shades beaten out of you for something as innocuous as dressing in a certain style or listening to a certain kind of music is really abuse of the laws.

Doesn't matter what subculture you identify with.
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So if I abuse you for being part of the subculture that doesn't "get" my post then I should be charged?
 
I'm not entirely sure about this, and for the record the majority of my friends would fall within this rather broad definition. How far do you go?
 
You know when people say 'this is political correctness gone mad'? Well this is one of those times when that statement actually applies.
 
Flipt said:
This will probably start a flaming war, but the way I see it most of this is caused by the "chav" type people. Uneducated, no desire to work, hoody and sport clothed delinquents.

That's where we should start :D
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well the sophie lancaster attack happend just up the road from me, and the people involved where all inbred chavtastic ***** gangster wannabe's and here's the shocker its not the first time they had been involved attacking someone as a group but the local police force and lancashire constabulary couldnt do anything or didnt want to.

the biggest issue is theres not enough police around to keep people safe all the time, and when something happens we are left to deal with very poor detail town center cctv and witnesses who wont say anything as they will be targeted next.

another incident in the town back end of last year saw a load of pub windows smashed, people knew who it was and where more than happy to talk to the local press but wouldn't talk to the police in case they got attacked themselves.

no mater what new laws they bring in, these types of little scrotes will carry on regardless doing what they want as no one is willing to stand up against them including the police. and when a bobby does do something they end up getting dragged up on diciplinary charges for clipping the little idiots round the ear.

this law will just be a liek showing a red rag to a bull in some places, much like asbo's and tagging some of them, it will end up as a mark of respect to have done you bit for the group.

rather than more laws maybe the police should be allowed to enforce the current ones :mad:
 
To me, this comes across as: If certain types are attacked then action will be taken and punishments will be higher.

But the thing is, ALL attacks to anyone should be treated the same

This will only end up as some Police 'priority' Policy where 'normal' crimes will be low priority or ignored so they can fulfil their Govt. Targets relating to 'hate' crimes or risk losing funding.
 
Theophany said:
Could you clarify what you mean by this? It seems deliberately vague to try and illicit a weak or tangential response.
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Righto sunshine.

Why does charging someone with ABH/GBH not suffice?
Why does it need to be a hate crime?

This has only been done so the force can be seen to be actively combating something without actually doing anything.

More record keeping for record keepings sake.
 
CaNsA said:
Righto sunshine.

Why does charging someone with ABH/GBH not suffice?
Why does it need to be a hate crime?

This has only been done so the force can be seen to be actively combating something without actually doing anything.

More record keeping for record keepings sake.
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:p

Well the circumstances and motives are somewhat different, in my mind at least.

For example, one guy beats up another outside a nightclub for 'touching his girlfriend' or 'looking at him funny' or something - ABH/GBH suffices.

Conversely, the same guy beats up another for nothing more than the way they dress or look - ABH/GBH does not suffice.

As to your latter comments, I don't really have an opinion. I've never come into contact with the GMP or how they operate, but your original comment about this potential law being abused I do disagree with because there are fairly clear, commonsense parameters to it (of which I'd like to think enforcers of the law can follow).

Perhaps I'm too close to it to make a judgement without it being personal though. :)
 
Could this, if it becomes nation wide, possibly be used to replace the abused Section 5 of the public order act which will be altered soon, if not already, to prevent its afore mentioned abuse by the police...?
 
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