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The Taliban are also killing innocent civilians as well.
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The Taliban are also killing innocent civilians as well.
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No, murder needs to be unlawful and premeditated. Soldiers are killers but not murderers.
We bombed Iraq with depleted uranium munitions, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's are now being born with birth defects, but never mind them we should raise money for one of our soldiers who got exposed to it (in her defense she was a medic).
Sad sad story and no I won't be donating. It's. a waste of time it won't help her. There's. a very good reason the NHS won't pay for it.
Who friends and families need to sit her down and tell her, her dilutions of this treatment won't work. But I suspect they took the easy option and were like, yes it might work.
Far to much lack of knowledge of drugs. This is the exact same story as ones wanting cancer drugs. Despite those drugs only working on 20% of the population. You aren't one of those 20% it will have zero effect for you. This needs sorting out, as huge amounts of reserch are being done on which drug works on which patients. So these things are going to grow unless its people are told categorically and made to understand.
Who friends and families need to sit her down and tell her, her dilutions of this treatment won't work. But I suspect they took the easy option and were like, yes it might work.
Far to much lack of knowledge of drugs. This is the exact same story as ones wanting cancer drugs. Despite those drugs only working on 20% of the population. You aren't one of those 20% it will have zero effect for you. This needs sorting out, as huge amounts of reserch are being done on which drug works on which patients. So these things are going to grow unless its people are told categorically and made to understand.
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With a disease such as what she is suffering, do you blame her for wanting to try anything she can to ease her suffering?
Ridiculous statement. Put yourself in her shoes.
Blame her? No.
Blame the people around her, yes.
Massive pointless support, rather than growing a pair of balls, like her doctors have to do, and tell her to enjoy what she has left. Instead, she is going to waste it, searching for a golden egg, which doesn't exist. So no it's not a ridiculousness statement at all.
And you know this for a fact?
You have absolutely no idea what the various procedures or drugs may do for her particular case.
Doctors have to 'grow a pair' to tell her the situation as it currently stands. For a doctor to point blank tell a person they are going to die in x number of days/months/years is naive to say the least.
The first thing anyone is ever told in situations like this is that staying positive is the first step to making it easier/moving on yet you are basically saying that she should accept her fate now and do nothing about it, despite the various bits if evidence showing that there is a possibility that SOMETHING, COULD help.
What evidence,
Slim evidence that it helps in very early symptoms. She is not in early stages.
So no, I do not agree with you at all. This is a rising trend which needs stopping. It keeps happening. It's a waste of money and time. The media is also to blame for jumping on the bandwagon. Time and again we see these stories NHS won't pay for x, it's because it won't **** work.
And you have no idea either, this is a discussion site, with limited info. I however am aware of growing number of these cases, where there's zero chance of a particuler drug helping, yet people with no medical background, throw the huge amounts of clinical trials out the window, and go well it may work.
This is a growing issue which is soon going to grow rapidly, due to new reserch. This is not an issue that can be ignored like you won't to do. When we identify drugs on wor on people with x-markers, we will have people like you and her asking for it to be given to everyone, even though there's no chance of it working. Is that a good thing? No it's an extremely bad thing. This is part of a much wider and bigger problem.
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You are right, I have no idea about the evidence or whether it will work, however I have a VERY good idea of the power of being positive in very similar situations.
You are basically saying that people should give up as soon as they are told they have x, y or z issue.
You are only aware of what the media puts in front of you. And from this you are making a sweeping statement that anyone who is told 'they have no chance' should just accept this and not even try other possible remedies.
I hope you are never in a position of power or politics, I really do.
I am not saying people should give up at all, I have not said that at all.
However there is a point where you exhaust all medical treatment that can work. You then have to have faith, or accept it and enjoy way you have left.
Not at one point have I said people should just give up at a drop of a hat.
So no, you are very much wrong on to point.
Lol, because it would be so different to what the NHS has already told her. It would be like throwing money down a toilet. There are other ways to stay positive, there is also counciling to help. On top of that there's also super early clinical trials, but only if you are near death. There's lots of other ways and to stay positive. Not this route though and I haven't said what you suggest at all.
However there is a point where you exhaust all medical treatment that can work. You then have to have faith, or accept it and enjoy way you have left.
Not at one point have I said people should just give up at a drop of a hat.
So no, you are very much wrong on to point.
Lol, because it would be so different to what the NHS has already told her. It would be like throwing money down a toilet. There are other ways to stay positive, there is also counciling to help. On top of that there's also super early clinical trials, but only if you are near death. There's lots of other ways and to stay positive. Not this route though and I haven't said what you suggest at all.
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What makes her a hero?
Didn't you hear? Everyone that goes to war for a job is a hero.
She went to a war zone as a medic to save wounded soldiers while under fire, that makes her a hero....
Story has tenuous link to radioactive material. The link because of the card she got given?
I would suggest there needs to be more information regarding how she apparently got affected by said radioactive material. I feel very sorry for her, but there needs to be some evidence at least.
As a side note, radiation poisoning can take a longgg time to raise it's head, I wouldn't be surprised if it was indeed true, even given the timescales. Also, don't forget she may not have been 'diagnosed' for many years, so the dates given are probably not a good guide. I think we need to suss out when she started having problems.
In my mind, if her illness is the result of her service, the army (or whoever has to deal with the fall out (no pun intended) should be doing all they can. The NHS isn't a bottomless money pit though unfortunately, and so will only be able to access 'approved' procedures unless somehow authorised by those higher up (anyone know better?).
IMO, using nuclear material for arms is pretty damn disgusting anyway as it not only stops the immediate problem, it causes problems you can't see many years after (just like land mines in a way.. but so much worse).
I would suggest there needs to be more information regarding how she apparently got affected by said radioactive material. I feel very sorry for her, but there needs to be some evidence at least.
As a side note, radiation poisoning can take a longgg time to raise it's head, I wouldn't be surprised if it was indeed true, even given the timescales. Also, don't forget she may not have been 'diagnosed' for many years, so the dates given are probably not a good guide. I think we need to suss out when she started having problems.
In my mind, if her illness is the result of her service, the army (or whoever has to deal with the fall out (no pun intended) should be doing all they can. The NHS isn't a bottomless money pit though unfortunately, and so will only be able to access 'approved' procedures unless somehow authorised by those higher up (anyone know better?).
IMO, using nuclear material for arms is pretty damn disgusting anyway as it not only stops the immediate problem, it causes problems you can't see many years after (just like land mines in a way.. but so much worse).
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Not seeing it... but then again, I'm very cynical about this 'hero' culture where every god damn person to put on some khakis as a job is a 'hero'.the article said:
It started as 'hero' because the forces weren't giving a crap about their wounded guys and girls.
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That doesn't make someone a hero, and I take this Daily Mail article with a huge bag of salt.
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What do the doctors think? She thinks its due to exposure to uranium. That's kind of just her opinion though which is not an independent professional medical one. Surely if it were treatable she would be treated?
I'm also not a big fan of these "please donate" or "please do my survey" threads as they seem to crop up an awful lot from very new members. Having said that there were a lot of people, myself included, who helped a member's sick daughter some time ago now. Think he was called Skywalker or something like that- but he hasn't posted much in a while...
Never enjoy reading about other people's troubles though
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