best induction kit for my ep2 civic?

Didn't those Aussie guys do a series of dyno runs with various inductions(cold air i think) and found barely any differences at all in terms of power, actually running less power in some cases than stock.
 
if you want a bit of induction noise then aem or k&n but id personally save your money because if it was me id feel a bit making all that noise and not really going anywhere

Has the car got a resonator? Remove it for free noise
 
Rjk what makes you say k&n over pipercross out of curiosity. I have my own knowledge of which kits perform better from the universal stuff offered by both from doing so bench testing on flow rates and efficiency. Just curious as pipercross don't seem to get recommended very often.
 
acemastr said:
Didn't those Aussie guys do a series of dyno runs with various inductions(cold air i think) and found barely any differences at all in terms of power, actually running less power in some cases than stock.
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that is nearly always the case with these silly cones
 
When it comes to performance stick to OEM intakes with Honda's (Thats not to say dont use a Type R one though). They dont spend years designing and developing systems that can be outdone by a 2bit piece of stainless steel.

Unless the noise is more important than power ;)
 
The standard airbox has noise and emissions to think about, after market intakes are a huge industry, they wouldnt exist if the standard airbox was always better

I've seen that Australian video, they stick a cone filter on the end of a corrigated pipe thats longer than the car, they use a 1.3 POS as a test bed in the other vid and dont take into consideration all the brands, config types and makes out there
 
You may as well just take a hole saw to your standard air box (on the pre filter side) as it'll give you all the "benefits" an induction kit is likely to and cost a lot less.
 
ManLoveRulesOK said:
Rjk what makes you say k&n over pipercross out of curiosity. I have my own knowledge of which kits perform better from the universal stuff offered by both from doing so bench testing on flow rates and efficiency. Just curious as pipercross don't seem to get recommended very often.
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The Pipercross seems to be an open cone where as the k&n 57i cones with a sort of heat shield.

Assuming less heat soak, the k&n would be a better call. Plus the pipercross appears to be made of foam whereas the k&n can be cleaned easily.

This is based entirely on 5 minutes of Google searching and my unprofessional assessment of both induction kits.

As has been mentioned, both kits will probably provide negligible gains on the engine anyway so its probably best to just get the cheapest or not bother all together.
 
There's 3 different kits you could use on pipercross.

Viper and venom are both enclosed cold air feed.

The foam with the pipercross filters can be easily cleaned in the venom and the open cone. Not so easy on a venom as it's glued in to the carbon. Iirc replacement elements can be bought for the venom as it's a two piece design.

The venom and viper also come with a cold air feed.
 
LizardKing said:
When it comes to performance stick to OEM intakes with Honda's (Thats not to say dont use a Type R one though). They dont spend years designing and developing systems that can be outdone by a 2bit piece of stainless steel.

Unless the noise is more important than power ;)
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Strange how a gruppe m took my car to 211 (197 standard) then.

A lot of other kits provide good gains on a k20. Sure the gains will be minimal on a less performance orientated engine but I think it is cavalier to assume that all Hondas don't benefit from breathing modifications.

The type r induction cannot be used on the OPs engine as the layout is totally different.
 
ManLoveRulesOK said:
There's 3 different kits you could use on pipercross.

Viper and venom are both enclosed cold air feed.

The foam with the pipercross filters can be easily cleaned in the venom and the open cone. Not so easy on a venom as it's glued in to the carbon. Iirc replacement elements can be bought for the venom as it's a two piece design.

The venom and viper also come with a cold air feed.
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Ah that I did not know. Again, my brief search on demontweeks showed me a generic filter kit which didn't look to be optimised for the application.

If they come with cold.air feeds and stuff then they probably do better.

Best for the OP to get on a model.specific forum and ask for the tried and tested application in that case.
 
rjkoneill said:
Strange how a gruppe m took my car to 211 (197 standard) then.

A lot of other kits provide good gains on a k20. Sure the gains will be minimal on a less performance orientated engine but I think it is cavalier to assume that all Hondas don't benefit from breathing modifications.

The type r induction cannot be used on the OPs engine as the layout is totally different.
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Close enough for a dyno being 5-10% out, or an optimistic dyno operator. My own car has had a 15bhp difference between 2 different dyno days with zero changes.
I wont deny there are intakes out there that could bring a minor improvement but tbh the money would be better spent on other mods.
Honda make a good effort in utilising there intakes to smooth out the throttle with various bulges and bubles in the pipe work. Other manufactors i'd tend to agree that a well engineered aftermarket intake will bring some improvements but Honda do do a remarkable job with there intakes.
 
rjkoneill said:
Strange how a gruppe m took my car to 211 (197 standard) then.
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Had you run it on the same dyno without the new intake? If not it's completely meaningless as your car could have been making 212 before it was fitted. Even if it was stock power £700 for 14bhp extra sounds awful.
 
LizardKing said:
Close enough for a dyno being 5-10% out, or an optimistic dyno operator. My own car has had a 15bhp difference between 2 different dyno days with zero changes.
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same dyno ran a brand new stock ibiza cupra that made book figures.
lets not get into dyno arguments here.


Gribs said:
Had you run it on the same dyno without the new intake? If not it's completely meaningless as your car could have been making 212 before it was fitted. Even if it was stock power £700 for 14bhp extra sounds awful.
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no, it was never ran at stock. but the difference was noticable anyway.

i got mine second hand which made it much more reasonable.

even if i had payed £700+, that still has to be one of the cheapest ways of gaining 14bhp on an NA engine.

all of this is largely irrelevant and doesnt help the op anyway.
 
Aem v2 chamber seems a good shout. But apparantly the k n loses power and its higher maintenance in terms of cleaning and you have to buy a kit to clean it. Ive been recommended the viper massively however do you think ill get the noise gain and maybe a more subtle power gain with just a replacement panel filter? Significantly less cost (sub £50) more noise is all im really after as I know this engine is at its peak as it is really.
 
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