I'm not claiming to see the future, but we can have a reasonable enough of an estimation at what we are likely to face.
Poll: Do you believe the UK should have its own Nuclear Deterrent?
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I'm not claiming to see the future, but we can have a reasonable enough of an estimation at what we are likely to face.
But things do change, attitudes at least in the west have shifted massively in the past century, have made our society far more liberal than some people want or understand due to the correlation with technological advances.
This is my last real post for the moment, i can no longer think as clearly now |:.
What BS, your estimation would be down the drain if Europe fails and brings the worlds economy down.
Attitudes have always changed, human nature has not.
Even just taking your point, the world is not all developed as the west or as liberal. Even in the west there are massive sections that don't confirm to that either.
Time again in hard times we see extremes. The economy took a knock but it didnt collapse and we have seen a massive increase in far right elections being made. This is not a surprise. Nothing's changed, human nature. When under threat/bad times put yourself first. See that movement with a knock that wasn't that bad, now imagine a proper collapse.
How has attitude changed so much?
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Then what happens?
No we aren't passed it at all, we were passed that at the end of ww1 weren't we?
You have not changed human nature. You haven't even enlightened half the west, let alone the world.
As to what happens if the world collapsed. Well look at history. You look after yourself, expect more extrem right wing action and expect military action.
Can we please stop with this nonsense, other than the current nuclear stance, the cold war is over the race for Berlin is clearly over and the Berlin Wall fell when I still had Thomas the Tank Engine on my bedroom walls...
There is legacy, no doubt, that's what we are arguing about right now, but there is no threat beyond the existence of these weapons themselves.
Human nature doesn't justify the ownership of these weapons.
The Third Reich was far more to do with the repercussions of World War one, and has more to do with imperialism and colonialism than any notion that it was all triggered by economic markets alone, and I'm not saying that didn't stimulate some of those events, but it wasn't the making of them directly.
But, if I accept this, what good are nuclear weapons in a state of global economic terror? What sort situation is going to arise where they are beneficial?
Are we going to be nuking Greece next?
The phrase '****ing in the wind' comes to mind;
http://www.icanw.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ifbritainfiredtrident.pdf
http://www.icanw.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ifbritainfiredtrident.pdf
Yet more failed logic. At what point did I say they were on going? Never.
They are examples of recent history, though expand led can be found throughly human history of similar.
Nothing has fundamentally changed, these situations can all cone back.
So come on explain how we fundamentally changed?
They are examples of recent history, though expand led can be found throughly human history of similar.
Nothing has fundamentally changed, these situations can all cone back.
So come on explain how we fundamentally changed?
The world has gotten smaller, we're more interconnected and reliant upon each other than ever before. We need that for our own existance future and prosperity. Out and out economic disaster and the strife of global, possibly nuclear, war is not going to achieve our mutual aims. So it is also therefore in our joint interests to avoid such catastrophes.
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So if we said to the world "ok everybody we are going to set a moral example to all of you and scrap our nuclear defence system" there would not be atleast one country that wouldnt draw up a new war plan to invade the UK and put it to good use if/when it all went crazy?
My way of thinking is this;
Trident is our penis and the countries who pose a threat to us are bum holes. Trident/penis is soooo big most bum holes are scared to even look at our bulge and imagine the damage it could cause them so they stay quiet and pretend to be our friends, then you have the bum holes who like to flirt with our penis, push our buttons and get us all reved up but when they see our penis twitching they too back down and just want to be friends.
We have yet to meet a bum hole who wants thinks he can handle the size and raw power of trident/penis but one day im sure somebody will and when that day comes im happy in the knowledge we can **** the bum hole up hill and down hill and make sure he never wants a second date.
Isnt it better to have something and never use it? I mean who here has a box of assorted cables that they cant bare to sell or throw away because they might need one of them one day? When in fact they probably never will? I do, just incase a situation arises i dont have to go begging to a friend to borrow theirs.
Its the same principle for trident.
My way of thinking is this;
Trident is our penis and the countries who pose a threat to us are bum holes. Trident/penis is soooo big most bum holes are scared to even look at our bulge and imagine the damage it could cause them so they stay quiet and pretend to be our friends, then you have the bum holes who like to flirt with our penis, push our buttons and get us all reved up but when they see our penis twitching they too back down and just want to be friends.
We have yet to meet a bum hole who wants thinks he can handle the size and raw power of trident/penis but one day im sure somebody will and when that day comes im happy in the knowledge we can **** the bum hole up hill and down hill and make sure he never wants a second date.
Isnt it better to have something and never use it? I mean who here has a box of assorted cables that they cant bare to sell or throw away because they might need one of them one day? When in fact they probably never will? I do, just incase a situation arises i dont have to go begging to a friend to borrow theirs.
Its the same principle for trident.
I don't know, who is going to invade a WMD free mainland Britain?
Best post by far. Nearly won me over too.
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I dont know who would invade and im pretty sure neither to the top brass but not knowing is a scarey thing. Which is a bad thing because without a clear enemy to point these things at its hard to justify ot to the public.
If the government could just come out and say "we have trident pointed at the french because they are slippery as a greased pig and we think they will attack us the second we relax" then the public could accept trident for what it is but instead the government come out and say "we have these missiles somewhere, not pointing at anyone but they are there incase someone does something to us sometime in the future, maybe never" and thats why the public see it as a waste of money and therefore are against it, because the danger is not immediate to them, like losing their jobs and homes seem to be.
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Yeah, cos there have been hardly any wars since the first bomb was dropped, have there?
Fundamental? Not one of those things is fundamental.
Humans haven't changed, resources haven't changed(if you belive scarmeongering that's getting worst), ideology hasn't changed.
All you have mentioned is progress, it is not in the slightest but fundamental. I'm sure we can survive without cheap clothes and electronics, we don't need to keep our current lifestyle in either an economic crash or major conflict Again we can look at history for this, we have relied on importing and exporting for hundreads of years, non of this stopped ww2, which we very much relied on imports for the war machine.
So no, non of that is a fundamental change, the world when it comes down to it is very much the same as it always has been, just with progress, but we've always had progress, that hasn't one changed anything in the ways you suggest.
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Invade mainland?
Other threats?
Other conflicts?
30years times?
Nukes yet again, don't just defend against invasion, but don't let reality get in way of your fantasy utopia, where all humans and nations have fundemtaly changed and terrible world wars can't happen and a massive change in the world is impossible in 30years.
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We would be utterly foolish to throw away our big stick.
The £20+ billion saved would only be ****** up the wall on another ill though out project.
The £20+ billion saved would only be ****** up the wall on another ill though out project.
I like how some consider it a pure cost, 'oh no its x billion wasted, why not spend it on infrastructure!?!?'.
The Bulk of the money is spent on much needed infrastructure and UK jobs, billions put into securing jobs in building and maintaining a massive engineering project, apprenticeships and training to ensure that the UK retains the skills required for the future.
We build the subs, the builders pay taxes and purchase goods creating this lovely big circle of the money going straight back into the economy where it is needed most.
It isnt money spent, its money invested and it is especially important to the decimated military who have been savaged by a large part of their money going into keeping the Jeremy kyle types comfy on their sofas.
The Bulk of the money is spent on much needed infrastructure and UK jobs, billions put into securing jobs in building and maintaining a massive engineering project, apprenticeships and training to ensure that the UK retains the skills required for the future.
We build the subs, the builders pay taxes and purchase goods creating this lovely big circle of the money going straight back into the economy where it is needed most.
It isnt money spent, its money invested and it is especially important to the decimated military who have been savaged by a large part of their money going into keeping the Jeremy kyle types comfy on their sofas.