New BMW's not like what they once were?

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Just shown the Black wheels on my car picture to a couple of mates :p and we got tallking... they have been spouting about how the build quality etc... of the new BMW's is not as good as what it once was.They say that the new 3 series is for girls:p

They have Audi's A3's...Are they full of ****?

I much prefer the look of my BMW to their Audi's

I find the A3 intrinsically dull...Am I just a BMW fanboy?:p

Are BMW's now like the 3 series really naff?
 
I find the A3 intrinsically dull...Am I just a BMW fanboy?:p

Which A3? The new one (2012 > on) is a lovely thing, the old one I agree was a plethora of dullness.

I'm not sure I agree that modern BMWs are not as good as BMWs of old, however, I would say that E46 and E39 were better than E9x and E6x.

The new F1x and F3x are superb.
 
I would agree with them...

Been looking around at various garages at the moment and after sitting in A4/Q3/Q5 then a 3 Series/X3/X5 I thought the Audis just felt a much nicer place inside.

Both typical German interiors (which I like) but I must admit the BMW's didn't really feel that high quality...I had to laugh at the little knob thing or whatever you call it on the doors which move up and down when the door is locked/unlocked...something borrowed from Rover I think?
 
I think most recent BMWs are crass and pretty ghastly tbh. Then again, that seems to be the way manufacturers are going, all bling, silly lines etc so I don't think that it's solely BMW at fault.
I can't comment on build quality having not driven one, but from a looks/image point of view they certainly aren't at the level they used to be with E39 etc...imo
Some of the Audis on the other hand look rather lovely, if a bit bland.
 
It depends on which model you look at.
F10 and F01 are utterly superbly built and are really nice places to be. Other models are less appealing.
 
Personally, I hate the front of the new 1 series, and just don't like the front of the 3 series. The rest of those two and all their other cars look rather nice. But the 6 Gran Coupe is just amazing. :D
 
Seriously...why have one of them?

Why *not* have one? You can easily tell at a glance if the car is locked. Very handy. Much better than the stupid push the interior handle in idea.

My 56 reg A4 doesn't have one, yet my grandads old Rover 45 does...probably the same part number?

Why would it be the same part? It's a fairly common thing to find across many cars :confused:

Your 56 reg A4 doesn't have many things - not sure how thats really relevent though :confused:

Seems like a totally odd feature to pick up on. I can think of many irritating things about modern BMW's, the fact it has a pin that pops up when the car is unlocked isn't one of them.
 
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Why *not* have one? You can easily tell at a glance if the car is locked. Very handy. Much better than the stupid push the interior handle in idea.

I have a flashing LED where the pin would be on a BMW.

Don't see the need for a door pin either tbh.
 
I think it is very 90's in car design that is all.

You don't even need to have the push interior handle in...Audi just has a button you press to unlock, and lock.

Sadly being the first thing I noticed kind of put me off, I thought the Land Rover Freelander felt better screwed together than say the X3.

I am not saying they are on par with the likes of Ford or Kia, however for the money you pay on cars we will no longer be looking at BMW as the next car in the household.

Sorry!
 
Sadly being the first thing I noticed kind of put me off, I thought the Land Rover Freelander felt better screwed together than say the X3.

The X3 wasn't a particularly nicely made car, though, it was a bizarre hybrid of E46 era tech with the newer design language and dodgy plastics. But then it's somewhat foolish to think several cars reflect the entire range. Thats like me saying Audi's suck build quality wise because the A5 is dubious quality-wise inside.

The reduction in quality is something which is affecting Audi and Mercedes as well - its not just a BMW thing. Compare a 2002 Audi A6 to a current Audi A6 and you'll notice the older car is the better built car. Your A4 feels better screwed together than the more modern A5, for example. Pretty much nothing these days is made quite in the same was as it once was. The only real exception to this is something like Jaguar, who used to make nice but shoddy products and now seem unable to do anything other than bang out consistently high quality cars.

Cost cutting is universal unfortunately. Comparatively speaking, the latest generation of BMW cars is as good as anything else in the class quality wise. There is nothing about the new A6 that's better built than the F10, for example.

Nowadays, selling cars is about how many mpg it can do with its tedious diesel engine, how much tech you can stuff into it and how modern and funky it looks with LED's and other trinkets. Pure quality is far down most buyers lists these days, especially as most buyers are simply fleets buying cars for people whose only investment in the vehicle is a small amount of company car every month.

Its hard to blame the manufacturer if they think they'll flog more cars to fleets by adding Facebook integration and bright white LED's than if they made the plastics used for the door bin pocket really high quality, however annoying it is to those who prefer quality.
 
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If you are in range to see the pin, you are in range to lock the car. So just lock it again if you aren't sure.
 
OMG I love this...I want one

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