Do you think this will get to production?

POB said:
Did they just stick stickers on another board and change the firmware?
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It's built by Gigabyte so it's essentially going to based on one of their existing Micro-ATX product lines, just with the addition of whatever is needed to circumvent the protection used to prevent OSX from being used on any x86 based system.

They'll just get sued anyway, even if they don't explicitly mention OSX.
 
estebanrey said:
Ahh kickstarters, the modern cons.

Give us money so we can build something which we will then sell to you....um yeah OK where do I sign up?

If the demand for a product exists, then it shouldn't need a kick-starter in the first place.

Also...



So what happens to the $102,451 surplus? I guess the guy just pockets it then. And what's to stop this all being nothing, and a few months later he says the project's been pulled for 'technical reasons' and just ****s off?
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You get a donation gift, usually the item your backing, which is often at the same or lower amount than the final retail. So just like pre-ordering as such.

The $100k surplus isn't exactly surplus, he will have to produce more gift as more pledges have been made. His profit per item/pledge will probably stay around the same.

If there is demand kickstarters can be needed still. To fill that demand you first need to have funding available to pay for manufacture, tooling etc.
 
Tefal said:
you'd think the eu would crush them for that though, using their software presence to try and dictate the hardware market.
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Don't think so - it only becomes an issue if Apple's market share is too large, and it's not. Small market share, fat profits = no EU law problem, I believe.
 
greywolf said:
You get a donation gift, usually the item your backing, which is often at the same or lower amount than the final retail.
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Not in this case though, nowhere does he claim he'll give away the motherboards to those that donate, he just says he's offering a "great kick-starter launch price" which implies you might get a bit of discount if you donate.

Also given most kickstarters allow you to donate anything over X how would is it fair if someone who donated $10 gets the same 'gift' as someone who donated $100?

greywolf said:
So just like pre-ordering as such.
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Not really, when you pre-order you know the product is coming. There is no guarantee this thing will ever be made. I suspect no one gets their money back if things go **** up.

greywolf said:
The $100k surplus isn't exactly surplus, he will have to produce more gift as more pledges have been made. His profit per item/pledge will probably stay around the same.
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But presuming they make a profit on every donation then the more donations they get the more free money they get. It still means them pocketing donated money.

Furthermore the money is to get the item produced, not to cover the cost of individual per unit production once it's up and running. In other words, it'll cost them $89,000 just to get the machines set up and ready to go, and it's that money they are asking for.

Once the machine is up and running, I'd suspect the per unit cost would be pretty low after that meaning surplus money becomes ever more profitable

greywolf said:
If there is demand kickstarters can be needed still. To fill that demand you first need to have funding available to pay for manufacture, tooling etc.
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If there is demand, and you have a good product there is no reason they can't find an investor like everyone else does.

I guess what annoys me about these things is I recently heard about a guy named James Rolfe who wanted to make a movie based on his internet character 'The Angry Video Game Nerd". Anyway, he did a kickstarter to get the money he needed to make the film but he got $100k more than he asked for. Since then he has never told anyone what happened to that $100k, the presumption is he just pocketed it.
 
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estebanrey said:
Not in this case though, nowhere does he claim he'll give away the motherboards to those that donate, he just says he's offering a "great kick-starter launch price" which implies you might get a bit of discount if you donate.

Also given most kickstarters allow you to donate anything over X how would is it fair if someone who donated $10 gets the same 'gift' as someone who donated $100?



Not really, when you pre-order you know the product is coming. There is no guarantee this thing will ever be made. I suspect no one gets their money back if things go **** up.



But presuming they make a profit on every donation then the more donations they get the more free money they get. It still means them pocketing donated money.

Furthermore the money is to get the item produced, not to cover the cost of individual per unit production once it's up and running. In other words, it'll cost them $89,000 just to get the machines set up and ready to go, and it's that money they are asking for.

Once the machine is up and running, I'd suspect the per unit cost would be pretty low after that meaning surplus money becomes ever more profitable



If there is demand, and you have a good product there is no reason they can't find an investor like everyone else does.

I guess what annoys me about these things is I recently heard about a guy named James Rolfe who wanted to make a movie based on his internet character 'The Angry Video Game Nerd". Anyway, he did a kickstarter to get the money he needed to make the film but he got $100k more than he asked for. Since then he has never told anyone what happened to that $100k, the presumption is he just pocketed it.
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I think you're very confused and annoyed/jealous of others success! Kickstarter is serious and real money is intended to be made!

Earning money is business! If they didn't earn any money with the pitch what would be the point in doing it!? The special price is the donation and you get one in return for that investment. The person pitching is legally obliged to honor the investment or face legal action as you must bea registered business.

In your last statement is contradictory kickstarter is one way of getting multiple investors the gifts you offer are effectively equity.

You need to read a few more things before you act like you now it all!
 
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estebanrey said:
Ahh kickstarters, the modern cons.

Give us money so we can build something which we will then sell to you....um yeah OK where do I sign up?

So what happens to the $102,451 surplus? I guess the guy just pockets it then.
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u wot m8

You get the product for giving money to the kickstarter.
 
Has any court ever actually upheld Apples EULA?

Certainly there's nothing immoral here anyway, if you pay for software you can use it as you see fit.
 
estebanrey said:
Not in this case though, nowhere does he claim he'll give away the motherboards to those that donate, he just says he's offering a "great kick-starter launch price" which implies you might get a bit of discount if you donate.
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On the right side of the page shown is what gift at what pledge amount you get. So $29 gets you a tshirt whilst $219 gets you the mobo. The mobo will retail at $249, so a small saving from backing.

estebanrey said:
Also given most kickstarters allow you to donate anything over X how would is it fair if someone who donated $10 gets the same 'gift' as someone who donated $100?
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Donation levels are set by the project starter with corresponding gifts. If I pledge a pre set level amount of $10 I would get the $10 gift or allowed chose one below this value if available, not one above.

estebanrey said:
Not really, when you pre-order you know the product is coming. There is no guarantee this thing will ever be made. I suspect no one gets their money back if things go **** up.
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It is a risk indeed. Hopefully the project starter has shown they can fulfill what they set out. But yes I suspect if things **** up trying to get your money back is very hard. Unless they have somekind of fall back plan or depending at what stage the project does go wrong.

estebanrey said:
But presuming they make a profit on every donation then the more donations they get the more free money they get. It still means them pocketing donated money.
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If the pledge amount is $200 and the gift costs them $150 that $50 "free" money would I hope be put back into the business aquiring future stock to continue sales after kickstarters. If kept as a net profit you would be charged tax on that. So before the accounting year ends it is wise to reinvest that money into stock.

estebanrey said:
Furthermore the money is to get the item produced, not to cover the cost of individual per unit production once it's up and running. In other words, it'll cost them $89,000 just to get the machines set up and ready to go, and it's that money they are asking for.

Once the machine is up and running, I'd suspect the per unit cost would be pretty low after that meaning surplus money becomes ever more profitable
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I would hope they are doing what I said above, and using all "surplus" money for future stock. I feel its very bad if a person tries to take a wage or immediate profit out of the business from just the kickstarter funding. Although I suspect some do.

estebanrey said:
If there is demand, and you have a good product there is no reason they can't find an investor like everyone else does.
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True you can. However Kickstarter provides an easier platform for the first step and with that gets your product seen and out there in the way of gifts, which hopefully creates future orders.

estebanrey said:
I guess what annoys me about these things is I recently heard about a guy named James Rolfe who wanted to make a movie based on his internet character 'The Angry Video Game Nerd". Anyway, he did a kickstarter to get the money he needed to make the film but he got $100k more than he asked for. Since then he has never told anyone what happened to that $100k, the presumption is he just pocketed it.
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Ah yes this guy. I agree its very annoying to read about stories such as this with people exploiting what can be a good funding platform. I imagine it does attract this problem and I am suprised you don't hear more horror stories.

Can't go into too much detail due to forum rules but as apart of my business I have been developing a product for the past year. It is at a point where I do require funds to get larger orders placed for manufactured parts. I have chosen to use Kickstarter, no idea if the funding will reach the required total. However it is quite stressful in some regards. Once I get other peoples money involved its one step up and feel a duty to them. I have done the up most to make sure suppliers can fulfill on time and to a good quality. But just takes one of them to mess up to give a real headache. Although the "free" money ear marked for future stock can be used to rectify this, that in itself causes problems.
 
It's got potential. I'd be temped when I build a new rig as it's not much more expensive than a decent Z77 board from a Tier 1 manufacturer.

With careful selection of hardware it is possible to get OS X installed on standard PC now using an existing OS X machine to move a few files around the original install images then installing a bootloader.

I got it installed and working on the system in my sig in less than half an hour. A quick google turns up a driver package for the audio and network chips and it's fully functional. Machine thinks it's a Mac Pro and gets all the official updates from Apple. There was no careful selection of hardware in my case, I just got relatively lucky in that it works on what I have.

I did try it previously with Leopard on the same machine years ago using a dodgy image. It was horrid to install and never really worked properly.
 
Gigabyte boards are generally the most Hackintosh compatible as it is. The only difference as far as I can see from skimming and looking at the parts is the inclusion of FireWire & Thunderbolt? Otherwise They've supported native power management since at least this time last year.
 
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