GB's teen crime commisioner - should she step down?

doiks14 · 7 Apr 2013 at 22:59

I would slightly consider killing people for £15k salary at a younger age

I do agree with a lot of people here saying that she's not a person for the job. At that age, you'd be surprised how many "mature" teenagers there are that know the consequences of their actions, especially for such status - much more than what she has shown.

bitslice · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:02

dirtychinchilla said:
I'll say it again. How can she represent our police force when she clearly has prejudices of her own.

Hah, and you think the Police force has no predujiced officers hiding in its ranks? (and covered up for by those that are not)

Jono8 said:
but we are talking about someone who has been appointed "teen crime commissioner". What sort of role model is that?

Her role is to help guide the Crime Commissioner's office to help tackle youth offending. To me that requires someone who can relate to teenagers who commit crimes and comment on the Polices approach, not a candidate for the Young Conservatives who lies about smoking cannabis.
She is not there to be a flipping role model or a fairy princess

Jono8 said:
So, is that a yes?

Yep.
She does her own media interviews! At that age I wouldn't even talk to girls

doiks14 · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:02

Castiel said:
I fail to see the point of a teenage Police Commisoner in the first place. What she tweeted a couple of years ago is immaterial, kids will be kids after all.

17 is hardly a "kid"

Mr Joshua · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:06

doiks14 said:
17 is hardly a "kid"

Did the tweets not occur when she was 14-16?

Jono8 · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:07

Mr Joshua said:
Did the tweets not occur when she was 14-16?

"Just three weeks ago she appeared to support an apparent assault, saying: ‘I don’t condone violence but im so pleased that my brother thumped the fat little ****.’ "

Mr Joshua · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:09

Jono8 said:
Just three weeks ago she appeared to support an apparent assault, saying: ‘I don’t condone violence but im so pleased that my brother thumped the fat little ****.’Read more:*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re-British-policing.html#ixzz2PokdMk7q*Follow us:*@MailOnline on Twitter*|*DailyMail on Facebook

I missed that one.

I can't help but feel sorry for her but this whole PCC lark seems like jobs for the boys.

bitslice · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:11

except that Ann Barnes and Paris Brown are women

Castiel · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:13

doiks14 said:
17 is hardly a "kid"

Compared to me she is, and by definition as she is under 18 (particulaly as she was as young as 14-16 when she made the remarks) she is still a Child.

Jono8 · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:13

bitslice said:
Hah, and you think the Police force has no predujiced officers hiding in its ranks? (and covered up for by those that are not)

Her role is to help guide the Crime Commissioner's office to help tackle youth offending. To me that requires someone who can relate to teenagers who commit crimes and comment on the Polices approach, not a candidate for the Young Conservatives who lies about smoking cannabis.
She is not there to be a flipping role model or a fairy princess

Yep.
She does her own media interviews! At that age I wouldn't even talk to girls

She is the first youth crime commisioner in the country and 15k is not too shabby a salary for a 17 yr old. You seem to think that she is right for the job because she can "relate" to teenagers. Well there you have it kids, be a loud mouth **** on twitter, drink too much, take drugs, praise violence and you too could get a nice job working with police and telling them how to catch little scrotes like yourself!

Awesome

doiks14 · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:13

Mr Joshua said:
Did the tweets not occur when she was 14-16?

"Paris Brown, 17, who took up the post just days ago, wrote homophobic and racist comments on her Twitter account and boasted about getting drunk."

I don't believe so, unless I misunderstood.

Castiel · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:16

doiks14 said:
"Paris Brown, 17, who took up the post just days ago, wrote homophobic and racist comments on her Twitter account and boasted about getting drunk."

I don't believe so, unless I misunderstood.

You misunderstood.

Paris has apologised and told the BBC the comments, posted between the ages of 14 and 16, had been "misinterpreted".

Not that it matters, 17 is still a Child.

http://www.nspcc.org.UK/Inform/research/questions/definition_of_a_child_wda59396.html

bitslice · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:17

Jono8 said:
She is the first youth crime commisioner in the country and 15k is not too shabby a salary for a 17 yr old. You seem to think that she is right for the job because she can "relate" to teenagers. Well there you have it kids, be a loud mouth **** on twitter, drink too much, take drugs, praise violence and you too could get a nice job working with police and telling them how to catch little scrotes like yourself!

Awesome

Sorry I was misled, apparently it is all the polite, teetotal, drug free, born again Christians that are responsible for 100% of the crime in Britain.

What silly moo appointed an average girl in an effort to connect with them and find out what could be done by the Police to improve the situation?
Clearly a member of the Young Conservatives would have been the obvious candidate.

doiks14 · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:21

Castiel said:
You misunderstood. Not that it matters, 17 is still a Child.

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/research/questions/definition_of_a_child_wda59396.html

I know she's a child by law, all I'm saying is that expected level of maturity and professionalism should be higher for a teen of such status and salary regardless of age.

cm1179 · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:22

bitslice said:
Sorry I was misled, apparently it is all the polite, teetotal, drug free, born again Christians that are responsible for 100% of the crime in Britain.

What silly moo appointed an average girl in an effort to connect with them and find out what could be done by the Police to improve the situation?
Clearly an member of the Young Conservatives would have been the obvious candiate.

but this opinion makes your argument even weaker.

the tweets weren't known about until after she was appointed.

even if they were, it's a pretty weak reason for giving her the job as she sounds like a tweetwarrior (bit like a keyboard warrior) who wants to come across as she has some street cred by saying ridiculous things. the ironic thing is, she's probably never been to a house party or done drugs in her life etc. but she wanted people to think she had.

Judgeneo · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:27

Regardless, I don't think she is exactly representative of the youth population.

In the video she said youth are being pressured to grow up faster these days. Faster than when? My youth was pretty relaxed to be honest.

bitslice · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:27

cm1179 said:
even if they were, it's a pretty weak reason for giving her the job as she sounds like a tweetwarrior (bit like a keyboard warrior) who wants to come across as she has some street cred by saying ridiculous things. the ironic thing is, she's probably never been to a house party or done drugs in her life etc. but she wanted people to think she had.

Lots of supposition here.

I'm not basing my opinion of her on her tweets as a 14 year old, I'm basing them on a video interview with other teenagers and seeing how she has withstood this current round of media abuse.

She didn't get the job by pointing at her 'down wiv teh kids' tweets did she?
The national vetting procedures under which she was interviewed does not include checking up on someone's social history.

Judgeneo said:
In the video she said youth are being pressured to grow up faster these days. Faster than when? .

Faster than my youth for sure, smoking in the loos at 16 was a BIG DEAL in my day, now almost every year has a couple of pregnant girls

Castiel · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:30

bitslice said:
Sorry I was misled, apparently it is all the polite, teetotal, drug free, born again Christians that are responsible for 100% of the crime in Britain.

What silly moo appointed an average girl in an effort to connect with them and find out what could be done by the Police to improve the situation?
Clearly an member of the Young Conservatives would have been the obvious candiate.

Whether she relates to youth criminals by association or not is irrelevant, I'm sure Anne Barnes is not a career criminal herself or associated with them, so I doubt that is a relevant qualification to her role.

How representative is she though, if they wish to find out the views of young people in Kent and their issues and needs then it would probably be better to spend the £15k+ on talking to them and engaging them directly rather than appointing one young girl as representative of them. If Anne Brown is suggesting that she is relying on a single teenager to help guide her office on Youth Offending then frankly I question both her capability and suitability for the PCC position.

My opinion is that this is a gimmick and a misjudged one at that. I feel for the young girl, every part of her life will be under scrutiny and she seems ill prepared for that kind of pressure and who knows what effect it will have on her immediate and medium term future when she leaves the post next August.

cm1179 · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:30

bitslice said:
The national vetting procedures under which she was interviewed does not include checking up on someone's social history.

you seem to know about these procedures. care to share the knowledge?

Castiel · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:33

doiks14 said:
I know she's a child by law, all I'm saying is that expected level of maturity and professionalism should be higher for a teen of such status and salary regardless of age.

A status given to her, and at 17, with no experience, I would be surprised if she had any idea what level of maturity or professionalism was expected of her, particularly before she was offered or applied for the post. To a teenager 12-24 months is a very long time when it comes to maturing and growing up...what she did a year ago is not necessarily representative of the person she is today.

bitslice · 7 Apr 2013 at 23:40

Castiel said:
Whether she relates to youth criminals by association or not is irrelevant, I'm sure Anne Barnes is not a career criminal herself, so I doubt that is a relevant qualification to her role.

I think it is more a case of how well the youth relate to Miss Brown, as she is the one talking to them. I think the whole reason Barnes appointed her was because as an adult she recognised she was not the best person to do that role.

How representative is she though, if they wish to find out the views of young people in Kent and their issues and needs then it would probably be better to spend the £15k+ on talking to them and engaging them directly rather than appointing one young girl as representative of them.

Her role is both to talk to them and to represent their viewpoint back to the PCC. What would you suggest, getting the kids hanging under the lamp post to fill in a survey form?

Clearly there is a problem with the Police's current approach to solving teenage criminal behaviour, otherwise they would have fixed it by handing out toffees and sending kids to borstal.

If Anne Brown is suggesting that she is relying on a single teenager to help guide her office on Youth Offending then frankly I question both her capability and suitability for the PCC position.

I'm sure she is not twiddling her thumbs while the 17 year old does the leg work. That she has partly paid for this role herself suggests to me that she takes it seriously, would you pay for a helper in your job?

My opinion is that this is a gimmick and a misjudged one at that. I feel for the young girl, every part of her life will be under scrutiny and she seems I'll prepared for that kind of pressure and who knows what effect it will have on her immediate and medium term future when she leaves the post next August.

That would be the fault of exploitative tabloids though?
Everything is a gimmick until it is termed an innovation, the internet was a gimmick when it started.

cm1179 said:
you seem to know about these procedures. care to share the knowledge?

Just what my post said, sorry. I could research the topic but I can't see what further it would add.