Which means it will fail to match an overclocked 4770K, and cost double the price
I feel genuinely sorry for AMD this cycle, the FX are like their Pentium 4
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Rumour: AMD to unleash the Centurion - FX at 5GHz
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Which means it will fail to match an overclocked 4770K, and cost double the price
I feel genuinely sorry for AMD this cycle, the FX are like their Pentium 4
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You reminds me of the sellers on the bay...
Haha, that is exactly what i was thinking of.
Just saw a pc named ULTRA POWERFUL GAMING DESKTOP P4 2.8ghz x2 = 5.6ghz radeon HD5450. Pure Class.
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Well that will result in bad feedback. I had an HD5450 in my server just so I had a picture, and even while overclocked it couldnt run Skyrim in 640x480 at over 15FPS.
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I wonder what sort of cooler they will supply with it?
I can see countless people buying this and not investing in watercooling (which it will need more than likely)
I can see countless people buying this and not investing in watercooling (which it will need more than likely)
To the enthusiast market yes, i cant agree more. But to every other market no. I think you're thinking too niche of a market here. The consoles and mobile markets will ge rocking amd so when you look at it like that, its no wonder why amd isn't worrying about a small and very niche enthusiast market.
The awnser to that is simply NO!
AMD have already all but handed complete control of the Desktop CPU market to Intel.
They cannot compete with Intel, they don't have the revenue and they have an extremely tarnished name, even if they could get back up no one will buy their CPU's because the Intel name will always dominate and be recommended by the masses.
All the signs are AMD are already working their way out of the Desktop CPU market, its only a matter of time before they pull out officially.
The same could easily have been said of Intel a decade ago.
The issue is that completely new designs do not come about every cycle, when a new design is produced it is then refined and improved on for the next few cycles, Intel started out this gen with a good design whereas AMD started with an unexpectedly poor one, this means that AMD have been stuck attempting to "polish a turd" and as a result Intel have basically been able to continue the race at walking speed and maintain their lead.
Its the exact same story as Pentium 4 vs Athlon XP, Intels new "netburst" architecture was supposed to be the **** (it was intended to scale to 5GHz) however unforeseen issues (Thermal barrier) prevented it and they had to resort to increasing the FSB/Cache, introducing HT, and whatever trick they could pull off to try and compete. By the time it got to the Pentium D vs Athlon 64 stage Intel were out of tricks and pretty much relying on their reputation to try and coast to the release of Core 2 Duo (ironically based on a Pentium III style design).
I really hope your wrong. Would be a shame. While i cant comment on the bulldozer, the piledriver that i am running is just awwsome for the money i had to pay(for a complete platform). Considering that they are still using the 32nm process and dont have the same amount of money for R&D as intel does, i think the 8350 and 8320 are doing a very good job.
One can only hope for the sake of competition and better prices for everyone that they will stick around and offer something to challenge intel (atleast in the 0-300$ range). Hopefully the console deals will make them rich enough to do this, otherwise we will see intel charge even more for their cpus and why not? if there is no one else to challenge them in the x86-64 market.
You raise a good point, but I seem to recall a thread from several months ago stating AMD where moving to focus on a different market... Suggesting that Intel would be the only horse running in this race for desktop CPUs, albeit I've been out of the loop for several months.
Its to late now for AMD, they have been effectively selling Bulldozer / Piledriver at a loss vs R&D spend.
Sure for the time being they may tweak what they have here and there, just to keep it going as long as they can without actually spending any more money on it.
There comes a time when you have to say enough is enough and pull out.
That is exactly what they did, all R&D had been diverted from CPU's to GPU's and APU's a while ago, Roy Reed effectively said thats exactly what they did because there is nothing left for them in CPU's.
Everything has gone on low power mobile chips like Jaguar and embedded SoC like the PS4 and xBox 720.
Which is a very smart move given Intel's dominance in this space and Nvidia looking like they are heading the same way.
The irony is that will probably just serve to accelerate the death of this space.
When it happens fanboys will gloat, for about 5 minutes, and then cry.
Because Intel's, and maybe Nvidia's:- now owned market will shrink and shrink and.... as its doing that they need to keep revenue up, prices will rise, R&D will stop, which will in turn accelerate that shrinking even more.... and so it goes on, cause and effect like some merry go round, for a while.
Until the moment comes for them also, where it is no longer sustainable. They will also pull out and go do something else.
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That's a very pesamistic out look, sure AMD's focus has shifted but to say that means the death of all future development is ridiculous. Maybe it won't be the AMD vs Intel title fight we are all used to but something will keep the progress going.
Its a good tactic though, the Core 2 architecture was evolved from low power Pentium M tech (itself loosely based on P3 designs), it was focusing on low power/embedded alternatives instead of a desktop CPU that sucked that allowed Intel to start to fight back against AMD a few years ago, AMD just need to do the same thing and from what you have said their well on the way.