Trans woman want to fight biological women in MMA?

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I remember reading about this last week, was wondering what you all make of said person wanting to fight actual biological women in MMA?

Fallon Fox

"I don't believe a transgender fighter should have to disclose her personal medical history to other female fighters before they fight," she said. "It's simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they're going from male to female, haven't been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.

"So why should we have to disclose our personal medical history?"
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http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/...ghters-shouldnt-have-to-disclose-to-opponents

So said person has been living as a man for 31 years, decides he wants to be a woman, does all the ops ETC and begins beating the **** out of women athletes in MMA, is pretty much the gist of the story.

Personally i think it's absolutely disgusting given the fact this person has all the advantages of a man, bone density, size, strength, athletism etc and is participating in a sport where all of above could pose a potentially lethal combination to biological women considering it’s a sport involving violent blows to the head. It pretty much legalised women beating in my eyes. She/he has fought two fights ending in brutal fashion.



Looking at the pic above its pretty much the same dude with boob implants, nip/tuck and braids.

I'd rather discussion stay away from opinions regarding transsexualism, as has been discussed to death, and personally i don’t care what someone does to themselves as long as others aren’t forcibly affected. It’s a personal choice said people have taken and if they want to play lady, fair enough, best of luck to them. But ultimately this isn’t about them as is directly impacting (no pun intended) others. It’s forcing people to accept A) that a biological man can become a biological woman regardless of facts and others opinions, B) putting people’s lives at risk, C) a huge unfair advantage.
 
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Craterloads said:
Personally i think it's absolutely disgusting given the fact this person has all the advantages of a man, bone density, size, strength, athletism etc and is participating in a sport where all of above could pose a potentially lethal combination to biological women considering it’s a sport involving violent blows to the head.
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After hormone-replacement therapy is the strength aspect still present?

All the same I'd be skeptical edging towards being against it purely on the basis that he/she is still 'different' biologically and so there might well be factors as you've mentioned. Unless there was evidence to suggest that he/she physically was equivalent to a woman (aside from socially and aesthetically being one).
 
You're not going to lose 31 years of development as a man via a couple years of hormone replacement. Bone structure/density would have completed during puberty.
 
He developed as a man, now she make be on treatment but it makes no odds, the combat frame is based around a male basis, it make be weakened but she has still a male frame.
 
Personally i think it's absolutely disgusting given the fact this person has all the advantages of a man, bone density, size, strength, athletism etc and is participating in a sport where all of above could pose a potentially lethal combination to biological women considering it’s a sport involving violent blows to the head.
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Well presumably in MMA women receive violent blows to the head from other women as well... are female skulls density thicker or less than mens? A knockout is a knockout either way, so in terms of potentially lethal damage then we have to trust the medical experts kept on hand to prevent that.
 
After the fuss at the Olympics (?) over whether that athlete should have their medal stripped because they could be a man based on looks alone I think the fact that they're letting a woman in what would still essentially be a man's body fight biological women is absurd.
 
davestar_delux said:
Well presumably in MMA women receive violent blows to the head from other women as well... are female skulls density thicker or less than mens? A knockout is a knockout either way, so in terms of potentially lethal damage then we have to trust the medical experts kept on hand to prevent that.
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Well the skull is bone and men have greater bone density than women. Larger, denser hands to go with that too, doesn't make a great combination.
 
People hitting each other for entertainment is daft.
People who watch this are dafter.

A bloke with boobs is still physically a bloke with boobs,
although granted they may be female in sensibility and in appearance.
 
I agree, its disgusting to allow her to fight women considering her development - its cheating as far as Im concerned

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Bang on with the bone density, I doubt hormone therapy could drastically change the size and weight of the bones in his/her arms, shoulders and hands.

Just think of it as hitting a nail with a heavier hammer.
 
Craterloads said:
Well the skull is bone and men have greater bone density than women. Larger, denser hands to go with that too, doesn't make a great combination.
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But a knockout is from the brain moving inside of the skull. How much of a difference in density is it really? There are hardly many bone-breaking blows struck often. There are also weight categories, so her heavier bone may pit her against larger opponents with better reach.

On the face of it, I agree with you it doesn't look great but I guess the doctors have made a call on it. And women training in MMA can toughen their bones and there is muscle to get through as well.

It may be a slight advantage but I don't think it is as vast as some would like to believe. Having said that I haven't seen the transgender lady fight.
 
Whats wrong with the idea of different genders fighting (assuming obviously consent is there) each other?

Lots of blokes would give a thrashing and get thrashed.

Personally I find the whole thing quite distasteful, but if you're going to do it, at least be fair about it?

Same for all sports to be honest.
 
sports_brah said:
Whats wrong with the idea of different genders fighting (assuming obviously consent is there) each other?

Lots of blokes would give a thrashing and get thrashed.

Personally I find the whole thing quite distasteful, but if you're going to do it, at least be fair about it?

Same for all sports to be honest.
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Biology bro, men are stronger with heavier larger bones i.e not a fair fight.
 
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