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Rumour: AMD to unleash the Centurion - FX at 5GHz

Vidar said:
That's a very pesamistic out look, sure AMD's focus has shifted but to say that means the death of all future development is ridiculous. Maybe it won't be the AMD vs Intel title fight we are all used to but something will keep the progress going.
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ubersonic said:
Its a good tactic though, the Core 2 architecture was evolved from low power Pentium M tech (itself loosely based on P3 designs), it was focusing on low power/embedded alternatives instead of a desktop CPU that sucked that allowed Intel to start to fight back against AMD a few years ago, AMD just need to do the same thing and from what you have said their well on the way.
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If they can build Jaguar up from a Mobil chip to a Desktop chip then yes it is real competition to Intel, so perhaps.
Tho this would sure be their last chance, and they would have to take a chunk of Intel's share to make it profitable, can you see that happening?
I don't know, maybe :)

Phixsator said:
Who knows.. Maybe we will all be sitting on our different models of ARM cpus in 15 years bragging about overclocks and completely forget this era of X86-64 CPUs. Its a joke, but then again??
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I have seen a few people lay hopes on ARM.
I could be wrong but i don't think that will happen.

Firstly, ARM are purely a chip designer, they get their revenue from licencing IP to companies who make chips out of that IP.

For example Nvidia Mobile chip (Tegra) are ARM IP, Nvidia simply buy the lenience, stick their own name on it and call it their own.
So a 3'rd party would have to come in, like Samsung or Sony or who ever... and try and make something of the IP.

There in lays the problem, ARM are not designed to run x86 or x64 naively, its why they dominate in Android Phones and Tablets, its why you don't find them in Windows platforms (yet, but may be coming through AMD, see here)
Whats more Intel owns x86 IP, and AMD owns x64 IP.
Lets say Samsung licenced ARM IP to develop into Desktop chips, they would have to go, cap in hand to those who they would be competing with, 'Intel and AMD' and ask them for X86 and x64 IP licenses, what do you think they will say?
 
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What I would love to see happen, is for AMD to exit the desktop CPU market, then for the EU and/or FDA to slap Intel with an antitrust order forcing them to open their chipsets up for third partys (letting other companies make CPU's for their sockets) which would return us to the glory days of super socket 7 when the CPU industry was at its most competitive.

Never happen though :(
 
humbug said:
Firstly, ARM are purely a chip designer, they get their revenue from licencing IP to companies who make chips out of that IP.

For example Nvidia Mobile chip (Tegra) are ARM IP, Nvidia simply buy the lenience, stick their own name on it and call it their own.
So a 3'rd party would have to come in, like Samsung or Sony or who ever... and try and make something of the IP.

There in lays the problem, ARM are not designed to run x86 or x64 naively, its why they dominate in Android Phones and Tablets, its why you don't find them in Windows platforms (yet, but may be coming through AMD, see here)
Whats more Intel owns x86 IP, and AMD owns x64 IP.
Lets say Samsung licenced ARM IP to develop into Desktop chips, they would have to go, cap in hand to those who they would be competing with, 'Intel and AMD' and ask them for X86 and x64 IP licenses, what do you think they will say?
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Well first i hope we dont get there myself. I may be uninformed but if we were ever to get ARM desktop CPUs it would be with the same idea that it has to be low power consumption and that will hurt performance which is the core of my problem. Sure the performance ARM delivers for the power is uses is pretty darn good but i dont care that much about power consumption(im using a fx8350 for christ sake :P) to begin with, i want raw performance.

This is just me going of on a ramble feel free to disregard the next part. The only way i can see ARM being effective in the desktop market or even more important the market we here are interested in, the enthusiast, would be some sort of multichip/core solution promoting highly threaded work. Just a loose thought.

I would rather just have we went on the 64bit platform permanently and put 32bit to rest for good. I know it aint happening anytime soon due to the license split among other things. It really sucks when innovation is held back, i know 64bit isn't something new but imagine the push in software we would get, native apps and games in 64bit, highly threaded, not that 32bit cant be highly threaded but we still see 32bit single thread apps and games because thats how its been done for ages.

With a push to 64bit we would see imho better apps and games because there are more resources to use(the motorway just went from 3 lanes to 6), devs wont have to decides between the 2, again a bigger incentive to code your programs with more resources in mind including more threads which is one thing i really think we need. There is only so many ghz we can put into our chips as it stand right now, but more cores could easily be fitted.

Again this is all just random thoughts at this point and may not actually be of any worth.
 
You talking about what gives the Piledriver CPU you have there what strengths it has, but almost never used.

I often wonder what the point is of x64 if we are not going to use it?

The problem is as you cited, most applications don't run in 'Authentic AMD64' (64Bit) they run in 'Genuine Intel X86' (32Bit) despite Windows 7 x64 running in 64Bit most apps and games run 32Bit native, the only advantage being that you can use more than 3.2GB of RAM.

Having said that, there are a couple of these AMD Game titles that look like something different is going on, some of the Crysis 3 maps have the FX-8350 beat the i7 3770K, and is significantly faster than the i5 3570K, this instead of falling behind the i3.... usual crap.
Its a lot like on those maps they are using different instruction sets, AMD got to Crytek very late in its development, makes you think what may have been had they been there from the start.

For now, if you really want to take advantage of 64Bit you should be looking at the AMD64 builds of Linux, but like all Unix based systems (other than Mac OS) they are painfully unstable, they are another great hope that will never happen, at least not until a lot more work is put into them, believe me i have been using them for many years and still find my self bouncing my face off the Keyboard in frustration with it.
 
Martini1991 said:
I believe the difference in Crysis 3 is FMA, which Haswell will also have.
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Yes but there is a potential issue with that.

AMD introduced FMA4 with Bulldozer, Intel then Started coding for FMA3.

AMD then switched to FMA3 in Piledriver, and then Intel switched to FMA4.

FMA3 and 4 are not inter-compatible.

Software coders are like..... "oh... for .... sake!!!!"

Its this sort of nonsense that holds back progress.

I hope AMD stick with FMA3, stick the Instruction set on all new chips (including the xBox 720 and PS4) so games are codded in AMD's FMA3, not Intel's FMA4. teach them a lesson.... messing on like that.
 
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I do hope AMD can get back up with intel, I've been using AMD for 5 years now and love my phenoms, their price/performance is brilliant - would be a shame to see them be totally market dominated
 
satanicguardian i think AMD lost it chance with faildozer. Now they will be more and more behind :/
 
I think everyone here, be it amd fans or intel fans(notice i didnt say fanboy) would agree that if AMD when out of business on the enthusiast market we would all cry due to the prices we would then have to endure. I would much rather have to argue with people over what CPU is best than not having that choice at all...its a luxury it seems. Lets hope we can keep it.
 
Phixsator said:
I think everyone here, be it amd fans or intel fans(notice i didnt say fanboy) would agree that if AMD when out of business on the enthusiast market we would all cry due to the prices we would then have to endure. I would much rather have to argue with people over what CPU is best than not having that choice at all...its a luxury it seems. Lets hope we can keep it.
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This would be a boring place if it were not filled with "which CPU" arguments :D
 
A funny side note on power consumption. Ive been using my FX-8350 oced to 4,5 for almost 3 months now, since my i7 920 died and my powerbill has gone down to 55% of what it was before(i get billed every 3 months for 3 months and just today recieved a bill, expensive power here in DK). The only thing that has changed is my pc. I live in a 1 room appartment so everything is the same(including my routines), except my pc platform(ram, mobo, cpu). Also ive add't an extra 7950 to the mix 2 months a go.

Dont get me wrong here, im not saying its the most eco friendly chip on the planet. Im sure that if i was running a 3570k my savings would have been slightly better with the same usage. But it also shows i think that its not as bad as some would like to believe and spout to everyone about compared to a 920 which you rarely see anyone bash for power consumption(if at all?). Ive even been bitcoin mining in the weekends when ive been out of town(24/7) something i didnt do 3 months ago.

Before anyone jumps in and call me a fanboy as some has a tendency to do, i would love a 3770k setup right now. Would switch if i had the cash but i dont, which is why im saving for a haswell setup. I love the performance i get from the FX-8350, but like most geeks or semi-geeks i want the most performance i can afford in the areas i use the most.
 
Phixsator said:
A funny side note on power consumption. Ive been using my FX-8350 oced to 4,5 for almost 3 months now, since my i7 920 died and my powerbill has gone down to 55% of what it was before(i get billed every 3 months for 3 months and just today recieved a bill, expensive power here in DK). The only thing that has changed is my pc. I live in a 1 room appartment so everything is the same(including my routines), except my pc platform(ram, mobo, cpu). Also ive add't an extra 7950 to the mix 2 months a go.

Dont get me wrong here, im not saying its the most eco friendly chip on the planet. Im sure that if i was running a 3570k my savings would have been slightly better with the same usage. But it also shows i think that its not as bad as some would like to believe and spout to everyone about compared to a 920 which you rarely see anyone bash for power consumption(if at all?). Ive even been bitcoin mining in the weekends when ive been out of town(24/7) something i didnt do 3 months ago.

Before anyone jumps in and call me a fanboy as some has a tendency to do, i would love a 3770k setup right now. Would switch if i had the cash but i dont, which is why im saving for a haswell setup. I love the performance i get from the FX-8350, but like most geeks or semi-geeks i want the most performance i can afford in the areas i use the most.
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Don't say that :eek: i have just replaced my dying P-II x6 1090T with an i7 930. i think i will keep my eye on my electric :o

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Vishera supports both FMA3 and FMA4.
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So they didn't switch from FMA4 to FMA3, they added it?
 
The original i7's were always power guzzlers, the difference being that they launched 5 years ago almost (Well, 4 and a half years)
Although I'd have a hard time believing your power usage dropped 45% due to a CPU change, especially as you've added a 7950, it doesn't compute.
 
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GodAtum said:
I am interested in this as Microsoft Flight Sim is a CPU hog so the more GHz the better!
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Depends how much it costs, if its more than a 3570K its pointless going Centurion for FSX (I mean for a new build ofc, if a user already has an FX-8350 or something then its more viable).
 
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