Does UKIP have any longevity in politics?

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Evening all,

Just reading the thread about who will win the general election, http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18510059.

I can understand, in part, why someone would vote UKIP at the moment, although I certainly never would. It is evident that we have issues with immigration and being in the EU, but as I see it, these issues are temporary.

Now, UKIP's main policies seem to be based on immigration and the EU, and although they extend beyond that, I am not convinced that they'd actually be any good at running the country, partially because I disagree with them entirely, and partially because I don't think they have the experience needed to run the country.

I think, therefore, that they are really a fad party. Once all the immigrants have gone (ridiculous idea) then they really won't have much to stand on.

What are your opinoins?
 
What experience does Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg have to run the country?


Longevity? No idea. I can imagine the Cons attempting to lurch to the right to try and win back voters lost to ukip, so, if you are a Conservative, but dislike UKIP policies, you might find they are soon Conservative policies...
 
I'm liberal; I vote Lib Dem because their political agenda follllows mine most closely.

When I refer to experience, the younger Conservatives may not have that much experience but are advised by many renowned politicians, I'm sure.
 
They apply pressure to the Tories or labour to take action on issues that are delicate.

They'll never be in power, but this pressure is real on the major parties.
 
Its a fad designed to highlight how the tories are divided on either being horrible people or being liked, when ukip think they should just be horrible.
 
There are always bigots and xenophobes in society, so something like the BNP?UKIP will always exist but the UKIP will likely and hopefully disappear when more people realize what they actually stand for and how pathetically ill thought out and dangerous their policies are.
 
There has been a move to the right generally in Europe since the start of the banking crisis. The UK is not immune to this. How long it will last is anyone's guess.
 
Hopefully not, they are crazy, without the EU our economy would be worse!

Luckily for my area the independent a local mother beat the Tories in their own back hard, a posh Surrey village, superb news was close only 30 votes in it
 
They have as much longevity in politics as the EU remains an issue for the UK.

Nothing more, it is simply logic, whether or not they bother bolstering their other areas of governance is a matter for them to deal with.

Voting for any party at this point is nothing more than a frivolous and joyless event, the only semblance of interest for me will be next years Scottish Referendum, for which i will happily take a part of, beyond that, my interest dies, until something of equal relevance delivers itself to my puny little existence on this rock.

The processes of today's world is a sick affair indeed, whether it is just a simple vote that may or may not do anything at all, with complete lack of integrity in some areas...right down to the process of using your prowess to completely nullify the oppositions fate and situations, Southern Europe/Israel and Palestine/NATO and Eastern Europe, the list could be potentially longer, but these are the most current and relevant.

Then people cry out that if you don't vote, you kill the process of democracy, well good its a lost cause at this point, perhaps once we have fixed the plutocratic nature of society, we can focus on it again, but right now i have more trust in crowd-funded powers such as Avaaz to do anything worthwhile, even if perhaps it seems rather minuscule in might and results.

Though quite frankly ill take a small result over no result, that seems to be delivered consistently by governments of late, then again i suppose the eagerness to blame the people is all so easy, mainly because it is in fact true, a valid assumption of a failing system of which is being blame squarely on the markets by said people (which i might add is not entirely without merit, though exaggerated).

Though that reason is nullified by the fact that there has to be a reason that people do not bother to participate, that reason is the very politicians themselves that spew blame, do not measure up to the peoples expectations, the political elite and the process (especially in this country) of voting for that political elite, is likely only to be saved by an integrity bound and honourable man/woman...I could find this funny, but i am quite bored of passive aggressive stance with this issue.

Career politicians generally, get educated by the elite, to work for the elite, perhaps people are OK with that, but that means absolutely nothing occurs in politics, other than witnessing a most embarrassingly anally-retentive argument in parliament, that leaves almost anyone bewildered by the event.

Either the politicians grow up or the people will ignore it entirely, only one of these has come true, sadly.
 
I have to admit I've always been opposed to voting for UKIP, but more and more the same two parties seem to be converging on to very similar political lines. Both are too sensitive to long standing relationships with 'sponsors' or other nations (eg the US). I think it's about time we had a new party with a new take on things. UKIP policies actually seem quite sensible on the whole, Farage seems a bit unbalanced but maybe that's better than the posh lot who usually stay at no.10. The only thing I probably disagree on in the ukip policy is defense and smoking rooms, both of which they can have if they did everything else they propose.
 
Probably not once the EU issue is 'sorted' (whatever that may be!). Still, tempted to vote for them when I can. Shame they changed their flat income tax policy though.
 
UKIP is the answer to the liblabcon and if you still haven't realized that then please prep your hand into the open palm position and proceed to strike the side of your face repeatedly until your face runs sanguine.
 
D.P. said:
There are always bigots and xenophobes in society, so something like the BNP?UKIP will always exist but the UKIP will likely and hopefully disappear when more people realize what they actually stand for and how pathetically ill thought out and dangerous their policies are.
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Please stop grouping UKIP with BNP
 
MrMoonX said:
Hopefully not, they are crazy, without the EU our economy would be worse!

Luckily for my area the independent a local mother beat the Tories in their own back hard, a posh Surrey village, superb news was close only 30 votes in it
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Explain why you think it would be worse?

The EU should be a good thing, but its quickly becoming a United States of Germany.

Have you ever tried to sell anything over the channel? No? Be prepared for a wall of red tape of finely balanced regulations which pretty much negates any chance you have of being competitive.

£53 million of our tax money a day goes to the Union which means the EU has to be worth a profit to us as a country of at least 300 million a day so the government gets enough tax revenue to cover the costs....

We have a trade deficit with the EU so that ain't happening, so what is the value to us exactly? I was all for the EU but over the last 10 years the lunatics have slowly taken over the asylum and its a mess.
 
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kitch9 said:
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Let me pose one really interesting question here, have you ever been a non EU citizen and tried to travel/live in the EU?

I assume no. Basically its a ball ache. Came up with a plan for a uni mate of mine to get her an EU passport, it'll take a few years but it means she wont be screwed.

We maybe a net contributor to the EU but it's worth it. I would rather pay to be in the club than being Homer peering through the window being told sorry no homersssssss
 
UKIP are an anti-establishment protest party, whether they're around or not in future depends on whether the political classes understand why people vote for UKIP* and change their own policies accordingly. I cringed earlier this week when I heard Farage going on about a "two-tier flat tax" and repealing the smoking ban, it's clear they won't stand up to the scrutiny of a general election campaign.

* this isn't because they're anti-EU either
 
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