Does UKIP have any longevity in politics?

Xenophobia and Nationalism are the "answer"? Relevant username ;)

Got any more hyperbole for that soup?

Jesus.

The UK cannot pay for more none working adults just arriving and having free access to our benefits system.


In times of economic uncertainty people tend to blame foreigners for the nation's problems. UKIP exists to validate this prejudice, hence its recent boost in the polls.

In times of prosperity UKIP is seen for what it really is: a tiny club for angry, insecure middle class white men with a worldview inherited from Britain's dark colonial past.

Hows the weather over there in Australia? Its quite warm here in cloud cuckoo land....
 
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always fun when democracy fails and people cry foul at a right wing party getting a chunk of the votes. even though it seems a vast majority of voters wanted them in as the main 3 party's are pretty much all the same and have been for a while.

i doubt ukip will get many seats in the general election if any but it does show even if a protest vote that the electorate is getting sick of the same 3 partys doing the same things time and again.
 
always fun when democracy fails and people cry foul at a right wing party getting a chunk of the votes.

Democracy has not failed. On the contrary, this poll boost for UKIP is an excellent example of democracy succeeding—and I don't see anyone crying foul over it.

even though it seems a vast majority of voters wanted them in

i doubt ukip will get many seats in the general election if any

So you think a vast majority of voters want them in, but they won't get many seats in the general election.

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different system for the general election than the local council elections. watching something yesterday and they said if the general election matched the council ones vote for vote ukip wouldn't have a single mp. also dont forget i said voters, not electorate as yet again it was a very low turn out. but you never know, if the 3 main party's carry on the way they have been doing then we could very well get a hand full of ukip mp's next general election.

and i was being sarcastic about democracy failing, due to all the people whining that a party's got in they dont agree with. i just find it funny that people cry when its the same 3 party's and then when something like ukip happen its the end of their idealized political world.
 
Ask the Lib Dems how well the protest vote holds up when you start getting a sniff of power...
 
Democracy has not failed. On the contrary, this poll boost for UKIP is an excellent example of democracy succeeding—and I don't see anyone crying foul over it.

As far as the Left is concerned, The electorate voting for candidates they disapprove of is the very definition of democratic failure!

The funny thing about all this is how, a few years ago, the LibLabCon and the media were talking up UKIP in order to draw support away from the BNP, and split the nationalist vote. the strategy now seems to have backfired somewhat and all seem now to be rallying behind the UKIP

Historically the BNP has done well at attracting disgruntled Labour supporters and the UKIP at attracting disgruntled Tory ones! I suspect that a lot of BNP support has now shifted to voting UKIP This along with growing "Middle England" disaffection with the LibLabCon accounts for the markedly greater levels of support.

I dont know how this will stack up at the next general election (The current system heavily disadvantages players who are not already members of the club)

But the Euro elections (Next year?) could be quite interesting!
 
A question for the posters screaming "xenophobe & racist" at people. In your opinion if you held a referendum and allowed all voters to answer the question "Do you think we should allow more immigration or introduce tighter controls akin to the USA and Australia based on points and contribution to the country" do you genuinely think people would vote for more immigration? Of course there should also be provision for humanitarian immigration.

Or is the entire country xenophobic racists?

I'm pretty sure, and no, I can't prove it, that the vote would overwhelmingly be for tighter controls and reduced random immigration. Not because we hate foreigners, but because the UK is fundamentally "full" with the same population as France in a country half the size.

Understandably when times are bad and money is short everything comes under close scrutiny, immigration, benefits and the EU shouldn't be immune from that any more than anything else. Can the UK afford to continue to be a net contributor to the EU in exchange for "fred" being able to go work in a bar in France easily when it's becoming increasingly clear we struggle to take care of the poor and pensioners even in the UK.

No other political party is being serious about the issue so UKIP pick up the votes. Pretty much everyone in the UK is an immigrant whether their family arrived 10 years or 1000 years ago. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with just being unsustainable in the current climate.

Now, if the question was "send them all back" I would hope the answer would be a resounding two fingers.

I don't think we need to completely abandon relations with the EU, but I do think it needs to be rebalanced somewhat, perhaps something like being in the European Economic Area without full EU membership similar to Norway should be considered?
 
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I doubt it, which is a real shame because this country need a big shake up & a massive change of direction.
To many political sheep in this country who keep voting for the main two parties, the libdem are not a main party they are just euro sheep who couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery.

We need someone in power that can get out of Europe so we can trade with the rest of the world without asking the euro ******s.
We need zero immigration for at least 10 years - we are full & your blind or ignorant to deny we are not. If the UK was a car park we have had the Full sign up years ago.

While we are shackled to europe we are heading for the abyss. Soon all this country with have in it is immigrants & foreign criminals we cannot get rid off - Oh actually we are only a hares breath away from that now.

Cons - Keep the rich rich
Labour - Come here we are an open door
Libs - Err what day is, I dunno, lets ask europe
UKIP - We don't know till you give us a chance.

I can see Labour winning the next election & boy are we going to suffer....
 
I really hope and believe they will only grow in strength;

1. Nigel Farage compares very well to usual party leaders, he actually has some conviction, even cameron/milliband/clegg clearly dont even believe their own ****. He just seems like a normal human being, the others are literally alien to me and are PROVEN LIARS AGAIN AND AGAIN
2. I want out of the eu, to people who say we depend on eu economically, well how did uk survive so long before the eu even existed? Ironically this is scare tactics employed by elite but aparently ukip are the scaremongers...
3. They have common sense policy to immigration.
I really take offence to any suggestion i am racist because I believe the immigration in this country is out of control. There are so many unemployed in this country, we just plain and simple dont have enough jobs to accommodate increased number of unskilled labour workers. Its just a simple fact.
I am idealist i really watch the news and wish for a better world, there is so much misery in other countries and for many a better life can be found in the uk. But surely SURELY people can admit there has to be a limit to how much additional population any country can receive before it negatively impacts local economy. WHY IS IT RACIST TO THINK THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
I can see why he comes to that conclusion, the system is inherently biased, undemocratic and discriminates against all parties other than Labour and Tory.

I agree with that although its not necessarily a bad thing cos I think there is good points that the local votes counts more 'locally' as opposed to the wider national figure.

There was 2362 councillors elected and 147 were voted ukip, so approx 6% of the ones elected were ukip.

But of all the people in total who voted approx %25 voted ukip. That is very impressive for a new power in politics.

Also does anyone know how many people actually voted? its hard to find that number.
 
Having so many votes essentially discounted, worthless, isn't particularly democratic or a good thing.

Having essentially what amounts to a two party system, with identical right ideology, has and is going to damage this country immeasurably.
 
In times of economic uncertainty people tend to blame foreigners for the nation's problems. UKIP exists to validate this prejudice, hence its recent boost in the polls.

In times of prosperity UKIP is seen for what it really is: a tiny club for angry, insecure middle class white men with a worldview inherited from Britain's dark colonial past.

So you tow the EU line that immigrants are not taking local jobs and displacing local workers?

This is virtually impoosible unless the immigrants are creating net new jobs...and if they are creating new jobs then why could those immigrants not stay in their original country and create the jobs there?
 
Do you know it's easier for me to do business with Dubai companies than the French?

On the flipside, do you know how little consumer protection a consumer has buying from a company in Dubai compared to one in France?

Got any more hyperbole for that soup?

This is particularly ironic given your next comment..

The UK cannot pay for more none working adults just arriving and having free access to our benefits system.

How are non working adults able to come over and immediatly have free access to our benefits system?
 
So you tow the EU line that immigrants are not taking local jobs and displacing local workers?

This is virtually impoosible unless the immigrants are creating net new jobs...and if they are creating new jobs then why could those immigrants not stay in their original country and create the jobs there?

Think you will find that their own countries don't have the jobs or the structure to support them, they can make the equivalent of a months wage in a week when working over here (taken from a conversation with a very hard working Lithuanian).
 
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