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Hi Guys

I would like some feedback from you guys regarding Watercooling, Modding and the importance of appearance of a computer system to you.

Specifically, I want to know what you feel is the priority for you when you build a custom system.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the following:

  • how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?
  • how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?
  • do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?
  • how do you plan your system projects?
  • how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?
  • are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?

any feedback would be appreciated, if you want to link to your project log or add one or two photographs to your post to illustrate your points then please do so.

I look forward to hearing from you all

Rich
 
For me I start with the case.
Need to suss out how many rads and what size they can be. Then does the case need to be modded to take the rads or do they just fit in there.
I'm not a fan of external mounted rads, its just a lot neater all tucked in and hidden away.

Not as much fussed on what the parts look like I think the performance is much more important.

At the moment I like the look of the Alphacool Monsta rads. Pumps would have to be Laing (have DDC and D5). CPU block well I have the EK and throughly recommend it.
GPU again have EK but I like the look of the Heatkiller
 
how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?

I start with a rough budget in mind, usually with a decent overhead so I can account for any mishaps. Start with the motherboard and then look for a case that suits it (essential with XL-ATX and the larger stuff). The rest is usually what appears for me - performance wise

how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?

Important but not essential, as long as its of high quality and not pig ugly I'm fairly easy.

do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?

If push came to shove I'd take performance over looks, that said, I try get a good balance of both, 7970 blocks are a good example of this. I did my research found that Aquacomputer are amongst the best performers while looking great, I had originally planned for EK CSQ blocks, which aren't AS nice IMO.

how do you plan your system projects?

The big starting point is the case, everything else, especially the water side of things is then shaped around the case. After I know what case I'm using I can plan everything else

how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?

Brands are of large importance for me, I recognise certain brands with a certain tier of quality, example I look at Aquacomputer, Watercool & Koolance as the absolute top end, EK & XSPC kind of upper-middle and brands like Alphacool & Phobya as more middle of the road brands.

CPU Block - EK, I ditched my raystorm for an older EK-HF Cu full nickel and do not regret it one bit, stunning block in both looks and performance.

GPU Blocks - I've owned EK and now aquacomputer, I'd take either TBH but if available I do really like my AQC blocks.

Backplates - Coldzero, you know you love them Rich :o

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Motherboard/Mosfet - If I really need them, just whats available, EK tend to lead the market in this area, its what I have now on my Xpower II.

Pump/Res - Not of massive importance to me on branding, all pumps (with exception of a few custom aquacomputer pumps) are re-branded. Res, again, all essentially the same thing, usually pick one with the most connection options.

Radiators - I've owned Phobya, EK, XSPC & Hwlabs radiators, the one that ticks every single box for me is Hwlabs, great performance, great looks, great price.

Fittings - I like a nice balance of cost and looks on this front, as much as I like bitspower and have used them in the past, I could find better things in my rig to spend the ~£100 per kit out would sting me. Used EK-PSC on my latest build, decent enough for the £3 a pop I was charged by you guys :)

QDC's - Koolance Koolance Koolance.

Tubing - I've only ever really used the XSPC stuff you guys sell (especially the 7/16 clear stuff from the reel) and had no problems with leeching etc... so I'll more than likely stick with it. Top tip for your packing staff though, don't wrap the tubing up with parcel tape, took me a good half hour to clean all the residue off before using.

Fluid - Mayhems for a few reasons, wide range of colour choices, they are very active in improving and expanding and their staff are always very helpful and honest, if something isn't right they'll hold their hands up and get it sorted, very honest people.

are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?

Yes, its probably the first thing I do when I see a new case. Wasted many an hour at work thinking over a loop in my head then putting it down on paper to see if I've misplaced something.

Last build (getting pulled apart AGAIN soon for some tube re-working):

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excellent feedback guys.

really appreciated.

keep it coming, i would love to read a broader cross reference of customer requirements here.
 
1) i got taught by you, about whats good, and what to do, now i go by what you have told me, and also a budget
2) very, its just as much about looks as it is about cooling for me, im on a stock clock at the moment, so it isnt doing much other than looking good.
3) i pick the ones that look the best, but also check that they're half decent.
4) dont care about the brands particularly, but i do like xspc stuff, the bitspower fittings look awesome too, just a bit expensive for me.
5) yes, i have a good idea of what i want to do, its whether i can do it, or if the parts are in stock that sway me though.
 
how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?
I start from the ground up, based on which case i'm going to use as to what stuff will fit. I then list all items i require and over purchase to be sure :eek:

how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?
Asesthics above all else, if i don't like the look of something i will scrap the lot and start again, if i still can't get it looking right in my head i ask for second opinions.

do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?
I pick the prettiest (being subjective)

how do you plan your system projects?
I start with the case and work out loop order from there, going for the shortest/tidiest route.

how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?
Don't really care about brands too much, i do like Bitspower fittings though.

are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?
Not without first knowing about the case
 
how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?

For the system components I look at what's best at the time and how much things cost, then decide what would be the best value for money set-up. For the water cooling bits I will do the same but attempt to reuse existing kit if I can, I have been water cooling since the Athlon XP days (first thing I water cooled was an over clocked GF4 Ti4200 lol) so what I lack in intelligence and wisdom I try to make up for with experience of what doesn't work :D


how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?

Heh, not in the slightest, I don't have a windowed case and don't care about how the things I cannot see look, if it works, it works (my builds have included copious amounts of cable ties and duct tape over the years and even the odd bit off cardboard ducting :P).


do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?

Actually neither, I do prioritize performance over aesthetics, however although I am not a brand snob I know what brands I have had good/bad experiences with and which ones I have never tried and so I will try and stick to what I know will give me the result I want. I.E I was in contact earlier today with a company at the other end of the EU in an attempt to source one of the last new Thermochill PA160.1 radiators in existence. I know that these days something like the SR1 240 will perform slightly better but its harder to fit where I want it plus I have always had great results with Thermochill PA's and will continue to use them until either they are all gone or something significantly better comes along (the first appears a dead cert sadly).


how do you plan your system projects?

In my head, not that I have acquired any guru like ability over the years, its just I find that taking the time to draw everything out or photoshop components into a case pic rarely highlights the inevitable issue you always run into when modding :P


how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?

Like I said above its one of my most important criteria, I tend to stick with what I know from personal experience works well and has great quality.

Blocks: I usually go full cover on GFX so change whenever I change GPU, I usually change the CPU block with the socket to keep up with performance (a block today would laugh at a pre jet plate block from a few years back) so pick make/model based on what's "hot" so to speak at the time. At the moment I am partial to EK plexi blocks as I can see exactly what's going on in there without touching the loop.

Tubing: MasterKleer, Always had good results with them and being higher spec than the likes of XSPC/Tygon/etc is a very reassuring placebo (I don't expect or want my coolant to be 70 degrees but its nice to know the tubing could take it lol)

Radiators: I have always been a major fan of Thermochill, the company responsible for PC rads looking like they do now and not a metal tube snaking through some fins, they were doing low FPI "SR1" style rads when everyone else were just putting out stuff that looks like a H100 rad lol. Sadly not the market leaders they once were but their stuff was so formidable its still solid today (I.E a PA120.3 will beat pretty much any 360 bar a Monsta, a PA160.1 will smoke any 120/140 rad and quite a few 240's, etc). If I had to go with another brand it would be XSPC as I have used their SR1 line in a friends build and it impressed me.

Pumps: I used to use EHEIM aquarium pumps like everyone else before companies started making pumps actually designed for use in computers, nowadays I prefer Laing D5 Vario's, great flow although a tad lacking in head compared to a DDC, but in series they have more of each than you would ever need and you can dial them down for silence and longevity.

Fittings: Long ribbed barbs (EK are my fav ATM) with the tubing fastened on with cable ties :P

Coolant: a 90/10 mix of De-Ionised water and Toyota Long Life Coolant, if you hadn't guessed I'm old school, I don't really care what glorious colour fluids you can get at £x a litre, a red fluid with biocide and anti-corrosion is enough for me. Especially when I know its been tried and tested in my car for 20 years with a steel bladed water pump, an aluminium engine block and a brass/copper rad and everything is still fine :P


are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?

Yup, for me that's also part of the fun, working out the optimum way to do it, what could go where, how everything will shift depending on tub/bay res or which way the roof rad is orientated :)
 
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Although my watercooling experience is a bit limited I do plan a lot, sort of windows shopping of sorts.


  • how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?
I figure out the basics of what I want, which is usually based on the question "is it the most expensive?" and then usually go down a notch as the next one down is usually better value. Then I check to see if there are waterblocks available for it. For a case I check to see what radiator options it offers, I prefer not to mod a case (I'm not good at things like this).


  • how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?
Not much. Generally don't care about the inside, I just like it to be easy to do and fiddle with. External looks a tad more important. Nothing silly, but I try to avoid NZXT cases as my personal opinion is they look cheap due to the plastic. Also not interested if it looks like a train...


  • do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?
Best performing ones. I tend to use my PC rather than look at it.


  • how do you plan your system projects?
Carefully and by going overboard on most things if possible. Then I just think it through, not one for sketching stuff out. I then produce a shopping basket on OcUK and other sites. After looking at the total prices I then rethink things being a tad more sensible.


  • how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?
Important to some degree. I try to stick to the 'big' brands but after that I'm not too bothered as long as it's not overly square with circles on it. I'm not a fan of nickel but do quite like plexi, not a deal breaker though. One bad experience is likely to put me off a brand for a while though.


  • are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?
More or less, I tend to forget the flexibility (or lack of) tubing so that's often where my loop plan falls down. I am quite a stickler for details though and feel I'm quite good at thinking/seeing potential problems.
 
I know one thing I like is options having just bought the V8 I would have liked the drop down option to get 4 pin PWM fans. As it came with 3 pin versions I now have to buy extra stuff above the cost of the kit to make it what water cooling should be cool and quite
 
I totally forgot, fans! lol: Scythe Gentle Typhoons, simply the best, some manufacturers can match them on performance or noise but nobody's managed to do both at the same time yet :)
 
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I'm new at watercooling, and about to kick off my first loop, so I'm a 'Novice' in modding and the like.
However, I have researched it to death.

How do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?
By asking 'a lot' of questions from my peers, then seeing whats been done before. I generally Googled to see what my Case was capable of. ( FT02, not insanely water friendly, but it's looking good so far)

how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?
Its gotta look lush, otherwise I would have stuck to the Air cooling.

I just bought the following Kit: ( Nooo..not an E-peen trip, just trying to clarify)
1x Mips limited edition NK black POM Mosfet set ( why you don't stock MIPS?)
1x Mips Iceforce HF
1x Watercool Heatkiller 680 'hole edition nickel black
12X Camozzi push fittings ( E22 stuff, Just Lush)
1x Aquacomputer Aqualis Tube res, with nano coating and D5 adapter
1x D5 ( replacing with Aquacomputer version)
5 metres of 12mmOD extruded Acrylic clear tubing
1x Alphacool Nexxos XT45 full copper 180mm triple
1x Aquero ( still deciding which version)

(All of the above will be repurposed for a caselabs next year)


how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?

See above list, I love the Look of things.
I planned the look and feel of what I wanted the system to look like.
For example, my PSU was a Corsair AX750, but i was intending to manufacture my own cables and re sleeve with MDPC. So I recently bought a Silverstone Strider 850 Gold from you guys instead, as the pinout is 1:1. Also, the Psu suits my build better.
I didn't really ever like the thought of hose, but with acrylic tubing, I don't have to worry about plasticiser problems, and again the 'look and feel' of Acrylic surpasses hose in my humble opinion.

do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?

I want 'Quality' in whatever product I choose. I chose the Mips GPU and Mainboard blocks, because of their reputation and sublime looks. I looked for the balance of performance and aesthetic. I intended to get a supremacy, but they looked quite bland. Even the raystorm option came across as quite unexciting.


how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?

I accept that there are the favored brand, I however find their fittings quite pedestrian and dull.
Monsoon are looking good. The brand isn't so important, I have read enough to know that the main players have their ups and downs. Its about whats performing as described and intended at the time of purchase

are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?
I am able to do it now...just , but it was time consuming to learn. I'm amazed no-one has created an application that would assist better in determining case and watercooling apparatus.
 
excellent feedback so far guys, nice to see a mix of opinions from experienced modding veterans and newcomers alike.

I will explain why I am asking for the info later on once I have some more feedback.

its all useful and will hopefully be the start of something good.
 
excellent feedback so far guys, nice to see a mix of opinions from experienced modding veterans and newcomers alike.

I will explain why I am asking for the info later on once I have some more feedback.

its all useful and will hopefully be the start of something good.

I can just imagine some sort of interactive watercooling section of the site where you click on components and you can build a virtual machine and then add bits of it to your basket :D
 
But can it simulate virtual blisters on your hands from tightening multiple knurled compressions :D

I need to add some stuff I missed to my earlier post tonight, like fluids, tubing etc...
 
how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?
I start with a question - WHY?

Inaudible (high end pc) - external passive or internal semi-passive loops
CPU/GPU heat = size of system footprint (more heat - larger area required)
Temps slightly better than stock cooling - requires SSD's to achieve quietest results

Performance (max 24/7 oc) - Large rads with lots of fans (38mm)
Noise required to achieve best results

Bling - looks are massively more important that performance
High cost, skill/thought/time required to achieve 'best' results (temps similar to high end air)

Cos I want to - Ideally build from quality second hand hardware
but usually a Bling build without the budget

Many people reasons are a mix of the above - but imho a hybrid loop is not much better that decent air cooling, but massively more cost and hassle.

Added to this is the case choice. Reuse, new or modified.
All cases can be watercooled with a little thought - just look at all the AIO
A few cases can enhance the reasons above (test bench - performance loop is a good example).

Finally I pick quality hardware that will last and can be reused in future systems.

how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?

When I started to build loops aesthetic was third behind silence and performance.
Since then I've made my own radiant panel rads, spray painted cases, cut custom panels/windows, braided cables, even used matching cable ties etc all for that 'look'. And that was mostly in windowless cases - Pesky forums :D

I find the aesthetic of a well designed and efficient loop, much more rewarding that just the shiny bits.
The use of lots of 45's and 90's due to poor layout / force tube routing also really detracts.
Small Logo/graphics generally look better that text - but usually branding spoils the look.

do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?
If buying new I usually pick one of the top 3 performing blocks/rad/pump.
Flow rate, airflow or dB may be the 'best' performance.

how do you plan your system projects?

Start with the Why, then the budget (reuse/newbuild)
Lots of sketches (freehand & cad) and thinking.
Currently making paper models of mods to my Parvum case.
After the case arrives, final tweaks to design and test builds (if required)

how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?

On a personal note I don't use EK anymore - due to poor / insulting customer service
But complex machined parts (blocks, rotaries etc) I'd only use koolance, watercool, enzotech, MIPS, Aquacomputer, (DT Waterblocks?) .
Barbs / fittings I'm less fussy about - but ID is king
Tube - Plasticizer leach is becoming a problem again - so Tygon/masterkleer
Pump - Lang or Eheim
Coolant - Water or mayhems

are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?

Yes - but then I'm a design professional by trade
 
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  • how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?
    Now I go for the least restrictive flow for the best price.
  • how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?
    Depending on whether I'm watercooling for functionality or performance or a mixture of both. I guess I always try and make it look good/interesting but depends on what its going to be doing. e.g. if it sits in my living room with a windowed case then looks have higher importance than if its going to sit in an office quietly crunching data.
  • do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?
    Best performing, they all tend to look pretty good now.
  • how do you plan your system projects?
    • Decide on the objective (noise or performance or a mixture of both)
    • Pick a case thats going to be able to accept the hardware to achieve the objective
    • Design the placement of the kit.
    • Choose the components, again based on type of build
  • how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?
    • Pumps: Laing, DDC or D5 depending on the size of the loop
    • Fittings: Not bothered, I've used them all bitspower, EK, Phobya, no-name and generally they are all much of a muchness in terms of which ones leak and which ones don't. Also Compression or not.. for me compression every time unless some other compromise (hole positions, cost, etc) necessitate a change.
    • Blocks: General rule if its nickel its not going in one of my loops, too many bad experiences to risk it anymore.
    • CPU Blocks: Lowest restriction for the best price. Branding isn't that important but I would tend to stick to the big 3 (UK, Aquacomputing, XSPC)
    • GPU Blocks: Again depends on the brief, If its a single gpu and simple loop then brand isn't so important, however if its a fashion statement build then matching brands with the gpu/mobo blocks is important. Otherwise I've always liked the Aquacomputing gpu blocks even though they are a little more restrictive, their thinness and multi-link design has won me over in the past. That being said I haven't used XSPC or any other brands, just AC and EK.
    • Mobo Blocks: EK and MIPs, but you are more driven by who has a block for the particular board than anything else, but MIPS blocks are just so smexy!
    • RAM Blocks: Never used them
    • Res: XSPC, bay, pump attached, separate, I've used one tube EK res but thats it.
    • Top: Usually now I go for a res/top combo but in the past I've used mainly XSPC for D5 or Dual DDC tops.
    • Tubing: XSPC High Flex or something that doesn't leech into the water like a proverbial
    • Fluid: Distilled and kill coil or something clear with galvanic inhibitors in it. Nothing coloured, if someone wants coloured I suggest get coloured tubing.
  • are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?
    Just about, but need to do it on paper really.
 
how do you compile a specification list for a custom computer?

It's changed over time, first time was mainly looking at spending the least money I could but still getting high quality components. Now, I just save, save, save and if I can afford the best of the best, that's what I will use in my list.

how important is the aesthetic of a watercooled system to you?

Extremely. I find it hard to actually come up with a reason why I wouldn't mind it looking bad. Even if I don't have a window, I want it to look at it's best.

do you pick the best performing products or ones that look the best?

Well considering looks are down to opinion, I think I get for the best looking and performing (besides my bay res, that things going, even if it looks nice)

how do you plan your system projects?

I'm really bad for sitting down with a pen and paper and just scribbling hundreds of drawings, all on how I would build my loop depending on rad setup, case, fittings etc...

how important are watercooling brands to you and what are your favourites for different parts?

I'm loving XSPC rads for price / performance.

Currently using EK blocks and fittings on both my card and CPU and they are ... the nuts.

But to be fair, most brands seem to be more than adequate for everyones needs.

are you able to look at an empty case and design a loop in your head?

Everyday. Everyday I will look on your site and different cases and ponder on how I would build a loop on on.
 
Hi rj, as long as you stock a good all round selection of water cooling components at a good price, job done.

As l prefer to have my rad externally mounted free standing for ease of installation, servicing and better temps. Planning my loop is easy, not bothered about Blackpool Illuminations, fancy fittings.
 
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