Carbs

I used to be a believer that to lose weight you needed to cut carbs. I now believe that simply isn't the case. The whole theory of carbs / insulin and fat storage is just far too simplistic.

You need to be in a caloric deficit to lost weight, no matter what foods you are eating. Although of course, it's better for your health to do it eating whole foods than chocolate bars.
 
Of course it's about a calorie deficit! However the fact about insulin isn't that simplistic. However , insulin is also an anabolic hormone - so it's a fine balance.
 
Sorry for the thread hijack, but I was going to ask about late evening snacks. I tend to get quite hungry around 10pm before bedtime and i'm a sucker for a couple of slices of 50/50 toast with peanut butter.
 
Weighed myself after a heavy binge eating session on Monday morning, weighed myself today, put 1lb on! No wonder people give in :D

I usually weigh myself weekly anyway but I saw the scales, I was curious, now I'm unhappy :(

I know, patience, patience :)

If you are weighing yourself, you need to ensure that the conditions are the same each time:

- Need the loo?
- Morning / night
- Naked? Other clothes on?
- etc etc

Don't worry about the 1lb - if you're eating at an appropriate deficit the weight will come off.

I'm not going to jump on this thread acting like I know everything (Like I did in another)

But I really wouldn't worry about a gain here and there. I had a mate who ate a big mac once at night and put on a pound the next morning. He swears it was because of the big mac Which weighs 215g. And no amount of me telling him it's most likely water that has added the weight would convince him.

My weight can fluctuate a couple of pounds within hours of weighing myself so its not an exact science.
 
I think the term "caloric deficit" is so very lose. There are so many factors that can accout for you being in a caloric deficit that its not as clear cut to judge when you will or wont be.

I was on a diet eating mainly lean meats, brown rice, oats and whey which made up around 95% of my daily intake hitting an average of 2200-2300 calories per day. I gained weight. 14lb in 3 months.

I changed to a carb cycling diet, and adjusted the way my body behaved towards the food that I was putting in to it and was losing weight on 2500 cals per day.

I now average 2900ish cals per day over a week, eating 3 nights a week in excess of 375g of carbs all after 5pm, and have gained 8lb in 4 months.

According to my old diet i needed to be eating less then 2k to be in a caloric deficit. According to my new diet i need to be eating less then 2.5k cals per day to be in a caloric deficit. My activity levels have not changed, how my diet is structured and when i eat certain food types have.

In theory my caloric requirements should be the same. They are not, mainly based on when and how i eat as apposed to the calorie amount it am eating.
 
I've just stopped bread and beer for a month now and dropped 6KG. :eek:

Down from 79 to 73

Run 3x 5-7 K per week and do a few situp that's all really.

Was easy to give up bread and beer don't really miss either and i'm enjoying my trousers not being tight not so interested about my actual weight but my waist size...

Still need to lose another 7KG to 67KG fit my BMI of under 25. I'm 168 CM tall. Pretty sure it will come off over the next 2 months.

Long term I enjoy beer too much to give it up but will only drink if I keep up the exercise if I stop running I'll stop drinking. Not sure how good this is as a diet but can't be bothered reading books and getting stressed about the whole thing if I over think it I'll give up.
 
Alcohol and white carbs (processed and refined) are probably the easiest and the best things to cut out of a diet. The rest in moderation is fine.
 
Still need to lose another 7KG to 67KG fit my BMI of under 25. I'm 168 CM tall. Pretty sure it will come off over the next 2 months.

Dont base your target weight on fitting in to a good BMI slot.

BMI is a very vague and unbalanced measurment. You dont want to lose good lean mass just to get a decent BMI figure...

most of the top lifters on here for example will be classed as Obese according to BMI, yet they will all be rocking around at 12-16% BF which is perfectly healthy
 
I think the term "caloric deficit" is so very lose. There are so many factors that can accout for you being in a caloric deficit that its not as clear cut to judge when you will or wont be.

I was on a diet eating mainly lean meats, brown rice, oats and whey which made up around 95% of my daily intake hitting an average of 2200-2300 calories per day. I gained weight. 14lb in 3 months.

I changed to a carb cycling diet, and adjusted the way my body behaved towards the food that I was putting in to it and was losing weight on 2500 cals per day.

I now average 2900ish cals per day over a week, eating 3 nights a week in excess of 375g of carbs all after 5pm, and have gained 8lb in 4 months.

According to my old diet i needed to be eating less then 2k to be in a caloric deficit. According to my new diet i need to be eating less then 2.5k cals per day to be in a caloric deficit. My activity levels have not changed, how my diet is structured and when i eat certain food types have.

In theory my caloric requirements should be the same. They are not, mainly based on when and how i eat as apposed to the calorie amount it am eating.
More likely, your metabolism has increased for two reasons:

Firstly, the increase in body weight. Higher the weight, higher the basal metabolic rate and also the more you burn from activity.

Secondly, when you had to eat below 2000 to lose weight, you may have been suffering from the adaptive component to dieting. When bodyfat gets on the low side, the body resists further fat loss (through a number of hormonal mechanisms) and accomplishes this by a down regulation in energy expenditure.

Thirdly, your calorie counting may have improved; your intake may well have been slightly greater than you thought previously. But with increasing dietary awareness and structuring, you acquired a better grasp of it.

Please don't take this as me totally rubbishing what you've posted here. I'm always very curious about the whole concept of meal timings having an effect on overall metabolic rate. But I'm convinced that any effect it may have would be minimal at best.

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On topic of nighttime carbs and fat storage, everybody rubbished the bro science put forward earlier in the thread, and rightly so.

I'd like to add to that the point that carbohydrates, in a literal sense, are almost NEVER converted to fat at all. The mechanism by which carbs are converted to fat is called de novo lipogenesis. This only happens in extreme circumstances, e.g. many days worth of consuming insane amounts of carbs (700-900g) equaling one's entire daily energy expenditure, and also in situations where dietary fat consumption is chronically low (10% or less of total calories).

That's not to say that carbohydrates in a calorie surplus do not "make you fat", but this is due to another reason: namely, that the body preferentially spends its time burning carbs, so fat oxidation is decreased. Therefore, on a surplus the body will end up storing some dietary fat as body fat. In that case, you get fat on carbs through an INDIRECT mechanism.

On a high fat low carb diet, the body spends most its time burning fat. But any fat calories in excess of your maintenance rate will not be burned off, so are available to be stored DIRECTLY as body fat.

One way or another, you STILL get fat. But almost never because carbs themselves are being stored as or converted to fat.
 
I think it's plausible that net metabolism increases on things like CBL.
I agree, actually.

Supposedly, with 1,000 extra calories some studies have shown an increase of 100 calories expenditure. Maybe it could be even more for some people.

I've occasionally done enormous carb loads where I didn't even gain weight when weighing the next morning. It was kind of freaky.
 
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Interesting article on Insulin - it's quite long and a little technical for some but still interesting - I'm not sure I'm 100% bought on all the ideas, but actually it's quite interesting nonetheless. However, I still hold fast that carbs from natural sources > refined crap :p As does the article really - insulin is a great hormone, but one that doesn't deserve to be caned by eating ****. Also, whilst I LOVE dairy - I still think keeping it to a smaller amount is generally better. However, that's a whole different argument/story - this is just about insulin. :)

Part 1:

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Part 2:

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=459

Part 3:

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=536
 
Interesting article on Insulin - it's quite long and a little technical for some but still interesting - I'm not sure I'm 100% bought on all the ideas, but actually it's quite interesting nonetheless. However, I still hold fast that carbs from natural sources > refined crap :p As does the article really - insulin is a great hormone, but one that doesn't deserve to be caned by eating ****. Also, whilst I LOVE dairy - I still think keeping it to a smaller amount is generally better. However, that's a whole different argument/story - this is just about insulin. :)

Part 1:

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Part 2:

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=459

Part 3:

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=536
Nah bro, copious amounts of dairy RULES! Getting back to drinking milk has been the happiest experience in my existence. Sad. REALLY sad. But true.
 
haha - nah not for me. :)

Though it is pointed out in the article that the ultimate diet is low carb, protein and high in fat - which is our most effective way for our bodies to behave biologically. However, it's not ideal in this modern day.

There are so many dichotomies around - sat fat = bad, but sat fat = higher test, fat = energy, but fat = cholesterol, protein needed for muscle but protein creates insulin spikes, insulin is anabolic but insulin also can cause dietary issues, carbs - quick release of energy etc.... It really is a minefield.
 
Also it's important to note that that article is about general diet health, not sports people, or bodybuilders etc... Just basic facts - how you use that manipulate your diet and sporting performance is down to you. :)
 
I switched from a Bb style carbs all day tightly tracked diet to CBL.

I think a few of the guys here can attest to how closely I track my diet, before and now. I even track my back loading to the calorie. However I am not driven by the calorie total any long, but I do know what it is.

I don't disagree that added weight would result in an increased base metabolic rate, but the difference is significant in that I am eating 700cals+ more per day and putting on weight at almost half the rate. If my BMR was higher now I wouldn't have been gaining faster on less calories before.
Also I weigh less now then I did then, so although my LBM might be higher, the overall impact on my BMR is a net 0. Again only supporting the theory, from my experiences, that adjusting how you eat can have a bigger impact over how much you eat

Interestingly as well I am eating around 60g more fat a day, again by your own findings I should be more easily putting on fat now then before.
 
I switched from a Bb style carbs all day tightly tracked diet to CBL.

I think a few of the guys here can attest to how closely I track my diet, before and now. I even track my back loading to the calorie. However I am not driven by the calorie total any long, but I do know what it is.

I don't disagree that added weight would result in an increased base metabolic rate, but the difference is significant in that I am eating 700cals+ more per day and putting on weight at almost half the rate. If my BMR was higher now I wouldn't have been gaining faster on less calories before.
Also I weigh less now then I did then, so although my LBM might be higher, the overall impact on my BMR is a net 0. Again only supporting the theory, from my experiences, that adjusting how you eat can have a bigger impact over how much you eat

Interestingly as well I am eating around 60g more fat a day, again by your own findings I should be more easily putting on fat now then before.
I'm actually curious about what you are saying. You've got me interested. I'll have to see what you've been doing in more detail.

The funny thing is, I adjusted my diet over the past 12 months or so in a substantial way and seem to not put on much weight even at 3,500 calories. Which I can't really explain, since I used to put on weight at 2,500.
 
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