Insurance fraud too easy

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Before we start I know I am a naive muppet.

I am 39 and have been divorced 7 years. I have had a few relationships since then. At my age I generally meet ladies that are separated/divorced. They have generally relied on husbands company cars or been named drivers.

I mostly have 2 cars, my diesel which is my daily car and I like to have a petrol Alfa as I am a major fan.

Being far too generous I have helped previous partners out by adding them to my insurance as a named driver when they don't have wheels of their own. With two cars I have let them use my other one when they needed it.

Anyway to cut to the chase, I have been receiving debt collection letters over the last few months for policies I never had. I assumed it was a mistake at first then became suspicious.

I still don't know who has done it (1 of 2 people) but it seems a previous partner has got access to a NCB proof letter. Having none of their own it has been far cheaper to take policies out in my name and add themselves as named drivers.

They have even paid the deposit and set up direct debits in their accounts. At no point does it appear it has been questioned. Then when they have failed to pay they have sent collectors out for the policy holder.

I have now had telephone conversations with Elephant, Admiral and Sheila's wheels. None of them will investigate and due to data protection give me any details about the person who paid the deposit and direct debits.

The police are not interested and say it is a civil matter due to possible previous relationship. No idea at present how I will sort this mess out as I now have a load of cancelled policies against my name.

Just a heads up for those who add partners as named drivers. They can easily get to your policy details and nobody seems to care!
 
Surely the debt collectors should be chasing up the owner of the bank account, credit/debit card that the policy was paid on and not the named policy owner.
 
Surely the debt collectors should be chasing up the owner of the bank account, credit/debit card that the policy was paid on and not the named policy owner.

No they do a name trace for the policy holder (according to them). The policy holder has sole responsibility for the premium.
 
If the situation is as you describe then it is not a civil matter. It is fraud if someone has used your details without your knowledge to obtain credit in your name.

Time to get back on the phone to the police Sir.

Kind Regards

Alec
 
Wow, that's a tricky situation you've got there.

I've really got no idea what you can do. I wonder whether you should get some professional legal advice.
 
If the situation is as you describe then it is not a civil matter. It is fraud if someone has used your details without your knowledge to obtain credit in your name.

Time to get back on the phone to the police Sir.

Kind Regards

Alec


I agree solely with you, it is fraud but the police want evidence which I cannot obtain. The cars insured I have never owned either.

To test how easy it was my partner who is named driver on mine and I am on hers phoned my company today and easily got access to all my details. She even got an email sent to an email address with proof of NCB.
 
If the situation is as you describe then it is not a civil matter. It is fraud if someone has used your details without your knowledge to obtain credit in your name.

Time to get back on the phone to the police Sir.

Kind Regards

Alec

Surely it goes beyond normal fraud and moves into Identity Theft territory
 
If the policies have been purchased with you as the policy holder and person x as a named driver, surely you should be able to gain access to the policy details. I suppose this is tricky though as it may be taken as admission that the policy is in fact yours.
 
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Surely it goes beyond normal fraud and moves into Identity Theft territory


But as the police say they can just claim I was with them at the time. I have to find a concrete way to prove I had no association with them. For instance although I am now in a long term relationship, they could still claim I was seeing them.

The problem seems to be with insurance companies who do little to no checks on this kind of thing. You can pay a deposit and be insured online without any proof of anything.

A deposit from a 39 year old man can be as little as £20. Even without proof of NCB it will give somebody an insurance marker and time to tax a car.

Far cheaper than short term insurance.
 
You must be able to get a copy of 'your' policy documents and find out who the named driver is. At least it would narrow down who to send the debt collectors to.
 
You must be able to get a copy of 'your' policy documents and find out who the named driver is. At least it would narrow down who to send the debt collectors to.


Exactly but all I get back is a copy of repayment schedule and online credit agreement. As they say the policy was cancelled ages ago so it is only the money owing which to them is of interest to them.

I think they know they have fubared but are not willing to offer the information which could be used against them.

But please anyone try it, you could take out a policy tonight, get an insurance marker on a car and provided you are not stopped for a motoring offence no one will be any the wiser.

It is far to easy.
 
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Fraud/identity theft. You won't be liable. It's no different to me taking out insurance using a random neighbours name/address with me as a named driver.
 
I will add this email which came from a company who apparently offered finance on a policy.

Thank you for your email,

Your policy was cancelled July 19th 2012 for non-payment. Your policy is now closed and needs an immediate payment of £123.43. If this outstanding amount is not resolved in the next 14 days we will refer the matter to our debt collection agency.

I have read your comments regarding you having no knowledge of this policy, however looking into this I can find no evidence to support your claim. Due to data protection I can give you no details of the debit/credit card the deposit was paid from.



I understand from your email you have refused to pay the amount owing. I have added the below comments to your file.

Kind regards


Stephanie Wood - Renewals Advisor
 
Surely they have phone records of the policy being made and of the credit card being used. If neither the voice on the phone record or the name on the credit card belongs to you, I'm not sure how they can say they can find no evidence to support you claim. It should at least raise some doubt.
 
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