Petition Adobe......

buzzlightweight · 12 May 2013 at 16:24

Not 100% if this has been posted but there is an online petition about CC

http://www.change.org/petitions/ado...e-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

On another note abobe stocks are really suffering!!!

steveo · 12 May 2013 at 16:38

signed it, Greedy sods, am glad there stocks are going down

Calabi · 12 May 2013 at 16:46

Yeah, this is going to change their mind. Way to gave passive internet actions.

King Damager · 12 May 2013 at 17:12

I still can't decide why everyone is quite so against this, I must be the only person who is a bit meh about the whole thing. If you read around instead of jumping to conclusions, is not the worst thing in the world.... It's not like adobe have been known to be the greatest company ever... Oh, and shock horror as a company which almost holds a monopoly in the industry (ironically thanks to piracy) wants to maximise profits.

kd

Calabi · 12 May 2013 at 18:11

King Damager said:
I still can't decide why everyone is quite so against this, I must be the only person who is a bit meh about the whole thing. If you read around instead of jumping to conclusions, is not the worst thing in the world.... It's not like adobe have been known to be the greatest company ever... Oh, and shock horror as a company which almost holds a monopoly in the industry (ironically thanks to piracy) wants to maximise profits.

kd

Cholera isnt the worst thing in the world but I think most people dont like it.

This is just the beginning of a bad road.

On the plus side its probably going to give the opportunity for some decent competition finally.

Nexus · 12 May 2013 at 23:46

If you are a small business or sole trader that relies on Adobe products, then at the end of the day, a monthly charge for something you use to provide you with an income is hardly a deal breaker, especially when you can offset the VAT.

Alternatively, you could just not upgrade as soon as there is a new product, which is the case for most businesses. Its unlikely its going to change your end result too much from one version to another.

As far as personal usage go, I know far too many people who have a pirated copy of the software, infact I can't think of anyone who owns it. If Adobe wants to change that, its their prerogative and those people can't get their pants in a bunch over it.

D.P. · 13 May 2013 at 01:25

King Damager said:
I still can't decide why everyone is quite so against this, I must be the only person who is a bit meh about the whole thing. If you read around instead of jumping to conclusions, is not the worst thing in the world.... It's not like adobe have been known to be the greatest company ever... Oh, and shock horror as a company which almost holds a monopoly in the industry (ironically thanks to piracy) wants to maximise profits.

kd

I'm also pretty meh. I can understand why some people might be slightly annoyed but for a majority it is probably a better move, or at least not significantly more expensive. For people like me it will just seal the deal to stick to LR + gimp.

hyperst · 13 May 2013 at 02:06

I hope MS don't do this, if anything it makes sense for MS to do this more than Adobe.

dannyjo22 · 13 May 2013 at 08:00

As if anyone here buys it anyway. Well probably less than 1%. People are probably just more worried they can't pirate it any longer. I'm not fussed, I'd be happy for them to do this and release a decent home use version in line with the pricing for an operating system.

Dangerous · 13 May 2013 at 09:49

I'd be more ****ed off with the pricing compared to the USA!

UK prices are 46% more expensive that USA!!!! See details here http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1206829?tstart=0

Adobe Creative Cloud Membership 12 Month Pre-Paid Membership Product Key Card

Price: $599.88 & FREE Shipping. Details

From Amazon US

$600 = £390 + VAT = £468/12 months = £39

However Adobe are charging £47 per month? How can the same product be £96 more expensive on a digital download? :mad:

I'd actually sign up for £39 per month or the £468 for the year!

Energize · 13 May 2013 at 14:19

dannyjo22 said:
As if anyone here buys it anyway. Well probably less than 1%. People are probably just more worried they can't pirate it any longer. I'm not fussed, I'd be happy for them to do this and release a decent home use version in line with the pricing for an operating system.

Loads of people pirate subscription software, the only people who are bothered by this change are those actually paying for it.

Nexus said:
If you are a small business or sole trader that relies on Adobe products, then at the end of the day, a monthly charge for something you use to provide you with an income is hardly a deal breaker, especially when you can offset the VAT.

A typical sole trader isn't going to be VAT registered.

Columbo · 13 May 2013 at 15:09

dannyjo22 said:
As if anyone here buys it anyway. Well probably less than 1%. People are probably just more worried they can't pirate it any longer. I'm not fussed, I'd be happy for them to do this and release a decent home use version in line with the pricing for an operating system.

Not really sure I agree with that.

a lot of piracy has occurred yes but I'd query the 1% figure. I've got 12 regular 'tog' friends all of whom purchased Lightroom, myself included. Ok one of them did pirate it 1st but he did buy it eventually.

I've now purchased 3 versions just because the upgrade price was so attractive to me, however I don't use LR daily (like Windows or Office for example) so having to continuously pay for something that's not critical to me just doesn't appeal.

For the minute LR4 is where I'll stick until it's no longer of any use and come that day I'll simply have to find an alternative unless Adobe change their model.

a1ex2001 · 13 May 2013 at 15:22

ManCuBuS said:
Not really sure I agree with that.

a lot of piracy has occurred yes but I'd query the 1% figure. I've got 12 regular 'tog' friends all of whom purchased Lightroom, myself included. Ok one of them did pirate it 1st but he did buy it eventually.

I've now purchased 3 versions just because the upgrade price was so attractive to me, however I don't use LR daily (like Windows or Office for example) so having to continuously pay for something that's not critical to me just doesn't appeal.

For the minute LR4 is where I'll stick until it's no longer of any use and come that day I'll simply have to find an alternative unless Adobe change their model.

LR5 will still be available as a physical purchase and standalone product outside of the creative cloud, I guess becuase the rate of Piracy is much much lower due to it's much more affordable cost.

Personally I will be happy as long as things remain this way I want to start using LR as it is a great product at a good price but I don't want or need the complexity of CS6 let alone the cost. I wouldn't even mind if LR went subscription provided it was available as a single subsciption at a reduced rate which CS6 is if you only subscribe the single product obviously I would expect lightroom to be cheaper!

I know nobody who has ever paid for a full CS license yet I know lots of people who use it!

atmax1 · 13 May 2013 at 15:36

Signed..

dannyjo22 · 13 May 2013 at 16:29

Energize said:
Loads of people pirate subscription software, the only people who are bothered by this change are those actually paying for it.

Then you ar ein the wrong place asking for signitures

The last time we had a discusion on who actually bought CSx it was very very limited despite the number of users

ManCuBuS said:
Not really sure I agree with that.

a lot of piracy has occurred yes but I'd query the 1% figure. I've got 12 regular 'tog' friends all of whom purchased Lightroom, myself included. Ok one of them did pirate it 1st but he did buy it eventually.

I agree, almost everyone I know now uses legit LR since the price is more inline with OS prices. When it was £200+ everyone I knew had pirated versions. This isn't about LR though it's about CS and do you know anyone with a legit version for however many hundreds it is?

a1ex2001 said:
I know nobody who has ever paid for a full CS license yet I know lots of people who use it!

Me either outside of a work environment.

cokebottles · 13 May 2013 at 17:08

Bottom line.....

.....the Creative Cloud stuff will get pirated. 100%. It will now be an even more coveted target to achieve for the groups that are involved in this stuff.

An Exception · 13 May 2013 at 18:35

Lol at the people who think this isn't so bad or even good!
What some people don't seem to understand is that this can only harm users. Yes they scream and chant about the benefits of 'updates' and 'features', when in reality they will get less of the very thing they are crowing about.
Without CC, Adobe has to invest in R&D to 'tempt' users with new features so that they will give them their money. When CC is the only option, you already give Adobe your money whether they release new features or not. In fact, with this business model there is zero incentive to invest in R&D and innovate. Every penny Adobe invests in R&D is money down the drain to them and will reduce their bottom line.
The only thing that will then encourage Adobe to improve it's products, is competition. For most apps competition barely exists right now, so people are going to have a long wait before Adobe feels sufficiently under pressure to innovate.

Also this has absolutely nothing to do with piracy. Piracy has been very beneficial to adobe. It almost entirely wiped out the market for competitors to compete on value. You can't undercut free.
With no competition, Adobe is then free to charge what ever it feels like to business customers.

People are saying the pricing isn't so bad. Sure Adobe knows this is controversial stuff, it will restrain it's price gouging until the sheeple tow the line and 'accept' this new business model. The fact is Adobe knows people will physically be able to pay more, if they break the cost of usage down into small manageable monthly payments.

Current retail cost of Photoshop = $615 Upgrade = $300

Year 1 of Photoshop CC = $19.99 a month = $239.88 a year. Introductory pricing, value isn't terrible, people will think this isn't so bad.

Year 2 = $34.99 a month = $419.88 a year.

Year 3 = 49.99 a month = $599.88 a year.

And so on...

Scam · 13 May 2013 at 19:16

First thought; it might stop every man and his dog thinking they're a pro photographer because they have an SLR and a pirated copy of PS? :confused:

Long term it can only help keep prices for real professional work high. Rather than going the way of most creative industries where anyone can undercut anyone because they're working from their bedroom.

Real professionals should be thinking this is a good idea. If you don't earn enough to pay £30pm for your second biggest tool of the trade then you're doing something really rather wrong.

Calabi · 13 May 2013 at 21:02

Scam said:
First thought; it might stop every man and his dog thinking they're a pro photographer because they have an SLR and a pirated copy of PS?

Long term it can only help keep prices for real professional work high. Rather than going the way of most creative industries where anyone can undercut anyone because they're working from their bedroom.

Real professionals should be thinking this is a good idea. If you don't earn enough to pay £30pm for your second biggest tool of the trade then you're doing something really rather wrong.

Its not going to stop piracy though, even Adobe admit that. Its just going to mean the pirates are going to be more prolific and more easily able to undercut the professionals, who are paying to be handicapped.

If your self employed and are paying a monthly subscription for software like this, where the new features you may not need and are locked in, I question your business sense. It doesnt matter if you can afford it, you maximise your own profits, just like this company is doing, you dont just throw money at a company because you can afford it now, do you want to have more money for yourself and the future, or throw it away on an a***ole company. And your throwing it away because if you ever stop paying then you have nothing.

Nexus · 13 May 2013 at 22:52

Energize said:
A typical sole trader isn't going to be VAT registered.

It doesn't matter if you are VAT registered.

If you are a sole trader, a Photographer for example, you can offset the cost of Adobe products VAT against your tax return, as its a valid business expense.

I do it with all the software I use.