Does UKIP have any longevity in politics?

estebanrey said:
I'm not clutching at anything, I'm just interested in accuracy. I would argue that presenting a question one way then presenting it a different way when you report it was more akin to clutching at straws.
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Fair enough, but it comes out as a pretty poor defence when multiple questions were asked.

estebanrey said:
If they really wanted a true reflection of how racist voters are then why not just ask something like "Do you believe black people are inherently less intelligent than white people" and report it as "% of people that think black people are less intelligent than whites"? That way, there would be no confusion and your findings would hold more water.
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I think the questions "should white people be given preference for jobs" & "are non-white people born in the UK less British" are both telling enough.

estebanrey said:
Furthermore I dislike how the questions promotes the idea that racism is only about white supremacy. I'd bet if you asked questions on people's support for so-called 'positive discrimination' you'd no doubt see high support from the left wing voters which in my opinion is also racism.
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I agree it isn't just white people who are racist, but UKIP's values themselves seem to align pretty well with xenophobes & racists.

While I don't personally agree with positive discrimination myself (as discrimination is still discrimination) it's not "racist", it's discriminatory.

Racism is about superiority, racial discrimination is preference based on ethnicity (Which could be for a multitude of reasons, such as racism or "positive discrimination" or a quota system).

As I said, I don't agree with it either - but it's not racist.
 
elmarko said:
I think the questions "should white people be given preference for jobs" & "are non-white people born in the UK less British" are both telling enough.
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elmarko said:
While I don't personally agree with positive discrimination myself (as discrimination is still discrimination) it's not "racist", it's discriminatory.
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So the people who answered 'yes' to the question in bold weren't being racist but discriminatory?
 
estebanrey said:
So the people who answered 'yes' to the question in bold weren't being racist but discriminatory?
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elmarko said:
Fair enough, but it comes out as a pretty poor defence when multiple questions were asked.

I think the questions "should white people be given preference for jobs" & "are non-white people born in the UK less British" are both telling enough.

I agree it isn't just white people who are racist, but UKIP's values themselves seem to align pretty well with xenophobes & racists.

While I don't personally agree with positive discrimination myself (as discrimination is still discrimination) it's not "racist", it's discriminatory.

Racism is about superiority, racial discrimination is preference based on ethnicity (Which could be for a multitude of reasons, such as racism or "positive discrimination" or a quota system)

As I said, I don't agree with it either - but it's not racist.
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Put in bold to help you out.
 
allthough i would never vote for ukip or the bnp, i can however see why people have and think that the mps have got what they deserve. imigration is a big problem in this country and we have to start doing something very soon but i do think coming out of the eu is not the answer. reviewing the benefit system (which as we know is why the majority of people come here) is a must, i mean if they want to work then by all means stay, but if they dont then they go home instead of getting everything handed to them
 
UKIP Spokesman said:
I don't think he was shaken up by it. He was laughing, in fact.
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Not only are they electorally nothing here, but he seems to attract the attention of the 'Edinburgh Mob' quite specifically.

Scotland now has to suffer the main UK centric parties pandering to this right wing even-more-racist Tory factional party resulting in a shift further Right by all accounts.

Only Independence can free Scotland from a political creed that it has resoundingly rejected time and time again, yet is forced to burden it irrespective.
 
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Mr Farage blamed the demonstration on "anti-English" sentiment. After one protestor had invited Mr Farage to "shove your Union Jack up your arse", a visibly shaken Mr Farage told a reporter:

"We have never had a reception like this anywhere in Britain before. Clearly, it's anti-British and anti-English. They hate the Union Jack."
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THE pro-union Better Together campaign has refused to work with UKIP to persuade Scots to vote against independence. A Better Together spokesman said: “UKIP have asked to join us and we have said no. If they ask again, we will say no again. They are not a Scottish party and this is a Scottish debate.”
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Unionists v Unionists.
 
and yet again students showing how wet behind the ears they are when it comes to politics, you'd have thought they would have learned from the libdem pledge a few years ago.

as for ukip being a right win racist movement i guess that makes a lot of people racists on here for having similar views as far as immigration, but as we have learned many times in uk politics if you say you want tighter immigration your racist, god forbid anyone trys to make a coherent argument about it they would rather just attack like the students did.

its funny as no one calls up the likes of dianne abbot or david lamey on being racists or sexist for their rose tinted views but again if anyone dared to they would be outed as racists and bigots.

as for the whole uk v scotland issue leave it for the scotty thread biohazard as we know its a jumbled mess and as iv said i bet its still not finished with even after the vote happens.
 
I think I am going to vote UKIP because seriously the immigration situation in the UK is BEYOND A JOKE now and we are supposed to be letting in LOTS MORE in the near future... I am not racist as such but it is literally ridiculous in 2013... When I go out of the house and walk around half the time I see more foreigners than English people around. Clearly it is NOT doing the UK economy any good and also there are no jobs available.
 
GAC said:
its funny as no one calls up the likes of dianne abbot or david lamey on being racists or sexist for their rose tinted views but again if anyone dared to they would be outed as racists and bigots.
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That's not true.

I think Dianne Abbot is almost as stupid as the average UKIP voter, it's not a mutually exclusive thing.
 
deuse said:
Do you know all these people that you're calling names?
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Yep I did to the guy door knocking for them in the local elections, considering they all got beaten by a local mother who only stood 5wks before election has restored my faith in the locals, however UKIP is just a protest vote they have no serious policies other than those written on the back of a napkin by farage, probably helped by the local bnp
 
android guy said:
Hopefully you'll get your independence from England & stop sponging of us.

I'm sure the scots need us more than we need them.

SNP all the way for you boys
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What a great reply to a thread that’s not about independence. My post was about Scotland not accepting right wing, bigoted parties and nothing to do with breaking up the union.

In the recent past the BNP and the Scottish Defence League received a similar type of response as the UKIP received yesterday. As a nation we have no time for right wing bigoted morons trying to win votes, my post was nothing to do with independence.
 
MrMoonX said:
Yep I did to the guy door knocking for them in the local elections,
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So one person hmmm not really the south as you say.

UKIP is just a protest vote they have no serious policies other than those written on the back of a napkin by farage, probably helped by the local bnp
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Wouldn't that be the same as anybody helping anybody? people do change who they vote for.
 
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