The truth at ATOS (secret filming)

[Third Opinion]

I posted this because I know there has been a few threads about ATOS. It is now a popular promoted view that people claiming incapacity benefit as work shy.

As I had to previously rely on this system after illness I have strong views that the system is very wrong. Any of us could end up through no fault of our own at the mercy of this system.

Cancer patients, blind people and even amazingly people with movement of just one finger can be and are declared fit for work under the system.

A blind person only needs to be able to read 'fire exit' in braille to be declared for work.

It would not be half as bad if these people assessed fit for work were given support to find work that fits afterwards. But they are not, they are slung to the Jobcentre and told to get on with it.

 

[RDM]

Why are blind people not fit for work?

 

[SMN]

Why are blind people not fit for work?

This. Surely anyone, disabled or not, has a function in society.

 

[Third Opinion]

Why are blind people not fit for work?

Thats not what they are saying. It is in the assessment process.

If they can read 'fire exit' in braille they are declared fully fit for work. Do you consider a blind person who may have very small braille ready capacities 'fully' fit. You are talking partially fit as in there is work they could do, but fully fit (bus driver, postman, etc).

They can work by all means, but need support. The Jobcentre just don't have the specialties to help people in need. These support groups are very fragmented and often close at the drop of a hat if they don't make targets.

Plus after a certain amount of time on Jobseekers a receiver is required to apply for everything or could loose their benefit.

 

[scorza]

This. Surely anyone, disabled or not, has a function in society.

Is employment the only function in society?

 

[Dis86]

Is employment the only function in society?

Amazing point. One that the government seems to have missed...

We are not drones to simply work until we die.

 

[Uther]

Is employment the only function in society?

We should all be good little worker ants for the 'good of society' apparently!
If its hard for a healthy,fully fit person to get a job currently, what chance has a severely disabled person?

 

[Third Opinion]

Is employment the only function in society?

Exactly, it seems the only popular view of the coalition is it's promotion that everyone on incapacity is work shy.

If you watch the documentary some of these people are dieing, years or only a few months to live but there treatment is not recognized by the DWP.

ATOS officially deny they are target driven but admit to an undercover training doctor they get audited and need to achieve 90% of tests as fit for work.

Any of us could end up with cancer or a terminal disease. This is the system put in place to look after you in that event after all the taxes you have paid in.

 

[ubersonic]

Cancer patients:

If it doesn't stop you flying a plane until later stages it isn't going to stop you serving people in Spar.

blind people:

Can do many jobs fine, I.E call centre.

people with movement of just one finger:

Elevator operator?

NB: I am actually disabled, more so than a couple of those examples and I don't have any trouble functioning in society, some people just need to man up.

 

[d_brennen]

We are not drones to simply work until we die.

Could have fooled me

 

[Third Opinion]

If it doesn't stop you flying a plane until later stages it isn't going to stop you serving people in Spar.


Can do many jobs fine, I.E call centre.


Elevator operator?

NB: I am actually disabled, more so than a couple of those examples and I don't have any trouble functioning in society, some people just need to man up.

I am absolutely amazed. I had chemo some years back, try sitting on a toilet for 4-6 hours and puking 6 times an hour after you have taken your treatment.

Yeah I am sure most people would have been happy for me to be their captain on a plane or waiting for me to get off the bog to server them in Spar.

I was declared fit during Chemo, and it was suggested I wear adult pads. Not sure what I should have put over my face.

I work now and always have done, but the system failed me in my greatest time of need.

 

[spankingtexan]

I've said it before and i'll say it again, "Atos and the DWP are scum of the earth"

Thanks for vid op.

 

[elmarko]

NB: I am actually disabled, more so than a couple of those examples and I don't have any trouble functioning in society, some people just need to man up.

What specific disability?.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I am absolutely amazed. I had chemo some years back, try sitting on a toilet for 4-6 hours and puking 6 times an hour after you have taken your treatment.

Yeah I am sure most people would have been happy for me to be their captain on a plane or waiting for me to get off the bog to server them in Spar.

I was declared fit during Chemo, and it was suggested I wear adult pads. Not sure what I should have put over my face.

I work now and always have done, but the system failed me in my greatest time of need.

gay...

Screw this attitude to people with disabilities. IDS can suck my balls...

 

[deuse]

I've said it before and i'll say it again, "Atos and the DWP are scum of the earth"

Thanks for vid op.

And then some.

 

[isonomicjedi]

I just watched the clip and am inspired to make a claim just for the hell of it to see what score I get.

Can't walk, in constant pain, often fall asleep at any moment and very often cannot wake up in mornings due to medication (despite being shaken to check I'm alive) . Have severe panic attacks when out of my house and random outbursts if anyone tries to talk to me or just at anytime that leaves me shaking and in tears. (I really really hate people talking to me apart from 3 family members and doctors) Quite often cannot get the toilet in time to pee in time so have to use a portable pee-bottle. Hate noise.

Go-on GD find me a job.

Would have to be very flexible working hours, very quiet workplace,within economic range of a taxi, would allow me to bring a family member or carer with me to the job to calm me down after panic attacks and to give me medication. Would let me take my bear and penguin with me.

 

[elmarko]

I just find it pretty embarrassing to be in a nation which thinks it's acceptable to target the poorest & most vulnerable (the disabled) for minor economic savings at great human cost.

The ATOS tests are a joke & anybody who claims to support scientific reasoning should be supporting the views of the doctors & GP's which use significantly more complex criteria to determine who is fit to work & who isn't.

Yes, you may get a few people pretending - but is it worth forcing genuinely disabled people into stressful tests or work to get them? - I really don't think so.

The fact they don't include people on various forms of chemotherapy, people with missing limbs or chronic pain conditions is a joke.

 

[Stolly]

Amazing point. One that the government seems to have missed...

We are not drones to simply work until we die.

True, those who choose not to work in the private, public, or voluntary sectors should be perfectly free to live their lives.

In a way that is entirely self sufficient and requires nothing that is a produced by any of the above sectors outside of the things they are able to pay for using money grown on their very own money tree.

 

[Edrof]

Man up, Cancer Boy. Get those pads on, operate the elevator to your jet and pilot yourself to Spar.

Excellent.

If it doesn't stop you flying a plane until later stages it isn't going to stop you serving people in Spar.

Can do many jobs fine, I.E call centre.

Elevator operator?

NB: I am actually disabled, more so than a couple of those examples and I don't have any trouble functioning in society, some people just need to man up.

A person's workplace efficacy really depends on the nature of their disability, the general circumstances of the person in question, the effects of any medication, and many other factors. Clear cut, it is not. 'Manning up' is laughably irrelevant.

 

[Uther]

Its not really about empowering disabled people to get a (non existant) job though, its all about cutting what little financial support they get now. What they do after that support is taken away is of no consequence to atos, who are coining it in.