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***Official Intel Haswell Thread***

smilertoo its not good strategy cause 95% of ppl wont upgrade cause there is no point. If it would be 20% each generation that comes out every 2 years... People would upgrade i am sure.
 
Bromhead said:
Eagerly looking forward to Haswell next month. Hoping to buy an overclocked bundle from OcUK, CPU/Mobo/Ram, any indication of what prices might be for this in terms of i5 and i7 when it's out?
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There are certainly some strong bundles mate you will be pleased.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
Well he also discounts 4.6-4.7 without increased voltage, followed by the suggestion of 1.4v being required for 5GHz.

Given the thermal/voltage performance of IvyB this all strongly implies you're looking at delidding + water for Haswell to tolerate [email protected] atleast that is how I read it. I guess the silver lining here is that if as many suspect Haswell still uses the cheap TIM then there is scope for improvement for those willing to take some risks and 5GHz whilst difficult isn't out of the question either.
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Strong Haswell will do 5ghz on low volts just as strong Ivy. No delid needed for a strong CPU.
 
smilertoo said:
Intel wouldn't release a consumer cpu that was 50% faster. They're in business to make money, so we would see that 50% spread out over 2-4 updates.
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We just need AMD to release a really competitive CPU, that blows Haswell away, for Intel to have to stop these pathetic 5% speed bumps.
 
This is not going to happen any time soon in this market area sadly. Competition does force innovation and improvement at a faster rate.
 
Do we know if there is going to be much advantage at the low end (celeron / pentium) aside from integrated GPU. Looking to build a machine with a budget cpu in and wondering whether its worth waiting the few weeks for one.
 
You may as well wait in my opinion. What's a couple of weeks really? :)

That said though, won't the lower end chips be released quite a while after the i5's and i7's?
 
acme15 said:
That's not how the game works.
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If you look at 8086, 80286, 80386 and 80486 Intel would keep these chips in market a very long time. The 80486 was the top chip for 5 years, imagine a Core 2 being top chip for 5 years. This was a time of total dominance in the desktop market by Intel and long before smart devices. Steve Jobs said this period was a period of slow progress in computing.

Then AMD released the 586 that was superior to the 80486, Intel then responded with 486 DX4 and the Pentium 1. At the time Personal Computing World magazine wrote about the confusion of DX4 and Pentium 1's being released almost together and said lack of competition had kept the DX4 waiting.
 
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JasonM said:
It was when the 486 X4 and Pentium 1's were released over each other due to panic over AMD's 586.

Due to no competitive that left Intel keeping the 486 DX 33 on top pile for 3 years while 486X4's and Pentium 1's were kept waiting.
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Things have come a long way since then, but yes I believe you are right.

I don't think that's how things would have gone this time though, I believe that Intel have the technology to create CPU's far more advanced than the ones which they currently dish out.

If AMD had released Steamroller already and it had decimated Ivybridge, I recon Intel would have been prepared.

I may well be talking a load of rubbish, but thats just my own belief :p
 
acme15 said:
If AMD had released Steamroller already and it had decimated Ivybridge, I recon Intel would have been prepared.
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This is exactly what i'm saying, Intel hold technology back when the competition is poor, but they keep the costs up on existing technology their selling.

Another example is Pentium D's released shortly before the Core2's. Again AMD had the advantage and it forced the Core2's. If not for AMD I do believe they would have kept the Pentium D's top chip much longer.
 
JasonM said:
This is exactly what i'm saying, Intel hold technology back when the competition is poor, but they keep the costs up on existing technology their selling.
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Sorry, I must have misunderstood initially :)

JasonM said:
Another example is Pentium D's released shortly before the Core2's. Again AMD had the advantage and it forced the Core2's. If not for AMD I do believe they would have kept the Pentium D's top chip much longer.
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And that would have been terrible for everyone... I remember the Pentium D... God awful thing... :p
 
JasonM said:
Then AMD released the 586 that was superior to the 80486, Intel then responded with 486 DX4 and the Pentium 1. At the time Personal Computing World magazine wrote about the confusion of DX4 and Pentium 1's being released almost together and said lack of competition had kept the DX4 waiting.
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I think you have your dates confused there, the DX4 came out a year after the Pentium 1 (the DX4 was still relevant as it was the top 486 and the 486 could run passive making it a better embedded option than Pentium although less powerful, they were still being produced until a few years ago). The AMD 586 came out a year and a half after the DX4 (two and a half after the Pentium) before that they were just selling their 486 chips that although higher clocked than Pentium couldn't compete in intensive tasks.


JasonM said:
Another example is Pentium D's released shortly before the Core2's. Again AMD had the advantage and it forced the Core2's. If not for AMD I do believe they would have kept the Pentium D's top chip much longer.
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Pentium D launched two years before Core2 did, yes the were still new Pentium D's coming out to fill gaps shortly before the Core2 launch but that's how product cycles work, the were Pentium 4 HT's launched after D to take up the budget area and the Ivy Bridge Celeron/Pentium/i3 chips only came out 4 months ago.
 
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8 Pack said:
This is not going to happen any time soon in this market area sadly. Competition does force innovation and improvement at a faster rate.
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I'm not sure about that. Intel are only shooting themselves in the foot by offering cpu's with small incremental improvements. At the end of day people need a reason to buy Haswell 5% doesn't exactly give people much encouragement.
 
Freddie1980 said:
I'm not sure about that. Intel are only shooting themselves in the foot by offering cpu's with small incremental improvements. At the end of day people need a reason to buy Haswell 5% doesn't exactly give people much encouragement.
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at end of day its a business just like here people are here to sell you items.

the speed increase will be small over a ivy bridge cpu but they have to sell so that's what they will do.

if you have sandybridge or ivy for 99.9 percent of people you already have the same power or needs.
 
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