***Official Intel Haswell Thread***

[Tackle_Berry]

Is DDR4 going to be with Broadwell then?

 

[8 Pack]

^^^ Yes!!!

 

[Tackle_Berry]

ok, i'm skipping Haswell then.

 

[wazza300]

And SATA Express,but the cpu's might be bga soldered onto the motherboards as in not removable

 

[8 Pack]

^^^ Lets hope not!!!

 

[tipes]

^^^ Lets hope not!!!

You can say that again. Will be a fail if it is.

 

[Akagi]

I doubt somewhat that the CPU's would be soldered to the board. That is an awful, and unlikely prospect

 

[wazza300]

"We know from our talks with motherboard vendors at this year’s CES that you’ll be able to buy Haswell in LGA 1150 trim, but that its successor, Broadwell, is going to be BGA-only (meaning it’ll ship soldered onto motherboards). Now, it’s possible that Skylake, the architecture to follow Broadwell, will see Intel re-introduce an upgradeable interface. However, Core i7-4770K is going to get a lot of attention, if only because of its position as the last flagship before we’re subject to less flexibility. "

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-performance,3461-8.html

 

[ubersonic]

Would be cool if they went back to the CPU being on a daughter board like the Athlon/P2/PIII era, wouldn't help performance much but the CPU looking like a Megadrive cartridge was badass

 

[smilertoo]

I thought the upper level cpus were going to remain upgradable.

 

[heighnub]

I thought the upper level cpus were going to remain upgradable.

They are, until 2016 at least.

http://techreport.com/news/24191/trusted-source-confirms-soldered-on-broadwell-cpus

 

[WingZero30]

According to wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell_(microarchitecture)

Broadwell would come in 3 forms: Desktop, Laptop/Mobile and BGA; with BGA form further subdivided into 3 further categories according to TDP:

Broadwell is expected to launch in three major forms:[7]
(1) Desktop version (LGA1150 socket): Broadwell-D
(2) Mobile/laptop version (PGA socket): Broadwell-M
(3) BGA version:

(a) 35 W and 55 W TDP classes: Broadwell-H (For "all-in-one" systems, Mini-ITX form factor motherboards, and other small footprint formats.)
(b) Less than 15 W TDP class (SoC): Broadwell-U (For Intel's Ultrabook platform.)
(c) Less than 10 W TDP class (SoC): Broadwell-Y (For tablets and certain Ultrabook-class implementations.)

Skylake would still be LGA:

 

[ubersonic]

According to wiki:

I wouldn't put too much faith in Wikipedia's ability to predict what Intel are going to be doing in two years time, especially when they haven't even officially confirmed the existence of IB-E yet

 

[Yaayuh!]

The whole BGA scaremongering was shot down by Intel themselves.
There are only plans for BGA/Soldered cpus on the bottom end of the market and for media setups. Mainstream and Enthusiast markets are still planned for LGA for the foreseeable future.

 

[8 Pack]

Who care!!!

They make me we break Records with em!!!

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Elric discounts 5.0 and hints towards 4.6 - 4.7, I believe he's telling the truth

Well he also discounts 4.6-4.7 without increased voltage, followed by the suggestion of 1.4v being required for 5GHz.

Given the thermal/voltage performance of IvyB this all strongly implies you're looking at delidding + water for Haswell to tolerate [email protected] atleast that is how I read it. I guess the silver lining here is that if as many suspect Haswell still uses the cheap TIM then there is scope for improvement for those willing to take some risks and 5GHz whilst difficult isn't out of the question either.

 

[wazza300]

The whole BGA scaremongering was shot down by Intel themselves.
There are only plans for BGA/Soldered cpus on the bottom end of the market and for media setups. Mainstream and Enthusiast markets are still planned for LGA for the foreseeable future.

thanks for that as I wasn't sure after reading the article on toms hardware,would be silly to bga the desktop cpu's

 

[arad85]

At the end of the day, it's the same physical process that is being used to fabricate Ivy & Haswell. Intels tick-tock approach works well - use a known design to pipeclean the new fab process in the plant and then swap architecture mid way through the production lifetime to utilise it when it is in full swing.

The downside is that there isn't likely to be a magic process tweak that makes things go 50% faster for 20% less power. If there was, you'd have seen it with Ivy.....

 

[smilertoo]

Intel wouldn't release a consumer cpu that was 50% faster. They're in business to make money, so we would see that 50% spread out over 2-4 updates.

 

[Bromhead]

Eagerly looking forward to Haswell next month. Hoping to buy an overclocked bundle from OcUK, CPU/Mobo/Ram, any indication of what prices might be for this in terms of i5 and i7 when it's out?