Another "Xbox One & PS4 a generation ahead of high-end PCs, says EA exec"

Locky · 23 May 2013 at 13:08

Dicehunter said:
What made me really laugh is when we saw the next "state of the art" CoD graphics, I swear I saw better than those graphics on Crysis 1, 6 years ago lol

You did

pgi947 · 23 May 2013 at 13:10

Oh you mean the new 'advanced lighting' that simulates playing with an invisible sun??

Nuclear Fusion · 23 May 2013 at 13:16

EA's reputation drops another notch..

Boomstick777 · 23 May 2013 at 13:18

I think when it comes to fleecing the consumer and exaggerating performance the Xbox One is a generation ahead

gord · 23 May 2013 at 13:20

I'm not about to dispute his claims because I don't believe we have access to any benchmark stats or full hardware specs for either console to compare.

But what you can't dispute is the next gen consoles will once again represent fantastic value for money compared to the equivalent PC setup. They always do. They always subsidise the hardware through the software purchases. Then as time moves on the hardware evolves and PC gaming becomes a more cost effective path. That's pretty much my cycle of entertainment. New console > Upgrade PC (repeat).

Freddie1980 · 23 May 2013 at 13:22

I know were laughing at what EA have come out with but bear in mind consoles are ultra efficient. Both consoles are using a GPU which is comparable to a HD7850 which is no slouch but PC is only likely to be able take advantage of 60% of the cards performance due to the software overheads caused by Windows and directX. Consoles are near enough 100% efficient so that 7850 in console is more like a 7950/7970 in a PC. What mister EA exec is forgetting is 20nm GPU's will be with us by the end of the year and PC gamers will be able to get 7970 performance is mid range affordable cards.

Nuclear Fusion said:
EA's reputation drops another notch..

Na, EA's reputation hit rock bottom a long, long, long time ago.

Carlow · 23 May 2013 at 13:28

Nuclear Fusion said:
EA's reputation drops another notch..

it hasn't reached -9000 yet?

seriously tho, the way EA treats the PC market, not surpised by this, dont doubt the New gen of consoles will be worth the cost, but to say they are a gen ahead of high-end pc's is just a lie, i'd like to see PS4/XONE go against a Titan sli plx

Locky · 23 May 2013 at 13:28

I thought it was more comparable to a 7790?

Yaayuh! · 23 May 2013 at 13:28

gord said:
I'm not about to dispute his claims because I don't believe we have access to any benchmark stats or full hardware specs for either console to compare.

Main Processor: Single-chip custom processor
CPU: x86-64 AMD "Jaguar", 8 cores
GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation Radeon™ based graphics engine
Memory: GDDR5 8GB
Hard Disk Drive Built-in
Optical Drive (read only): BD 6xCAV, DVD 8xCAV
I/O Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0)
Communication Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T), IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth® 2.1 (EDR)
AV output HDMI
Analog-AV out
Digital Output (optical)

Also note that an AMD 7870 is 2.56 teraflops.

This is where we start to see on a hardware computing level that the PS4 (and XBOX One) are behind by a fair bit in terms of FLOPS.
Again this is comparing Apples to Oranges etc etc etc, but a PC is capable of doing more already, especially if you were to lock down the FPS to around 40 and adapt the graphics/textures to suit that FPS roof, it'd be a clear win to PC.

We'll see how it really pans out when we start to get some actual gameplay videos.

gord · 23 May 2013 at 13:38

Rossi~ said:
Also note that an AMD 7870 is 2.56 teraflops.

This is where we start to see on a hardware computing level that the PS4 (and XBOX One) are behind by a fair bit in terms of FLOPS.
Again this is comparing Apples to Oranges etc etc etc, but a PC is capable of doing more already, especially if you were to lock down the FPS to around 40 and adapt the graphics/textures to suit that FPS roof, it'd be a clear win to PC.

We'll see how it really pans out when we start to get some actual gameplay videos.

Well in that case his points are a load of tosh, or at least most certainly will be when they are released.

But the value issue still stands. £500 will get you a decent GPU or a fully equipped entertainment center..

HeX · 23 May 2013 at 14:03

He's talking about the architecture, which is technically true as its based on Jaguar which is the generation ahead of currently available APU's available to PC users, and the graphics portion of the GPU's are custom, and probably using parts of the yet to be released 8 series GPU's, so again technically correct that they are a generation ahead.

The 8-10 times more powerful quote is regarding the leap over current gen consoles not current gen PC's. Which is entirely correct.

Gotta love marketing.

gord · 23 May 2013 at 14:16

HeX said:
He's talking about the architecture, which is technically true as its based on Jaguar which is the generation ahead of currently available APU's available to PC users, and the graphics portion of the GPU's are custom, and probably using parts of the yet to be released 8 series GPU's, so again technically correct that they are a generation ahead.

The 8-10 times more powerful quote is regarding the leap over current gen consoles not current gen PC's. Which is entirely correct.

Gotta love the media.

So he's just been misquoted by the media and we've all jumped on HMS Bash EA? What a waste of my time.

andybird123 · 23 May 2013 at 14:18

spoffle said:
There's very little point in taking much interest in what these people say, however your examples aren't quite in the same area context wise.

It'll be in reference to 1080P gaming, where the sort of high end dual card set up really isn't necessary, additionally, the overheads of PC is very high, awfully so.

The level of optimisation is the same, PCs over come this by pure brute force of hardware power.

Given the same specs, a console with games written specifically for that console, typically run faster on the console compared to the PC.

IE, if you try and compare a 7870's performance to what we'll get with PS4, it's pointless as a PS4 will make much better use of the available power of a 7870 GPU than a PC would ever see.

how much potential do you think you lose by it being on PC?
where I've seen direct comparisons like for like, it is up to 30%

the system in the One and PS4 are not even half as powerful as a top end PC GPU, and can't be overclocked either

it is a nonsense to claim that consoles will be able to directly compete with top end PC's regardless of what settings you want to compare them at - at the same settings, PC's would have the power to increase LOD or whatever as well

that you can also do things like increase resolution etc on PC is just yet another added bonus

RichardH754 · 23 May 2013 at 14:58

Whats happening with Fifa 14, they are not using the latest engine on the PC version, all we are getting is the 360s version.

How many other games will this happen to?

Calin Banc · 23 May 2013 at 15:09

gord said:
I'm not about to dispute his claims because I don't believe we have access to any benchmark stats or full hardware specs for either console to compare.

But what you can't dispute is the next gen consoles will once again represent fantastic value for money compared to the equivalent PC setup. They always do. They always subsidise the hardware through the software purchases. Then as time moves on the hardware evolves and PC gaming becomes a more cost effective path. That's pretty much my cycle of entertainment. New console > Upgrade PC (repeat).

That's because they'll probably sell it to you as a loss (cost more to produce than the price on which is sold), but they'll take all back and some more over the years in games, MP monthly payments and so on.

titaniumx3 · 23 May 2013 at 15:18

Yeah, but can it run Crysis?

No seriously, can it? Maxed out, 1080p with AA? I think it will struggle, and that is what ... 6 years old now?

8 cores, 16 cores, whatever, these new consoles are just a netbook class CPU with a mainstream GPU bolted on. The only thing I find impressive is the shared 8GB GDDR5 memory on the PS4.

HeX · 23 May 2013 at 15:33

titaniumx3 said:
Yeah, but can it run Crysis?

No seriously, can it? Maxed out, 1080p with AA? I think it will struggle, and that is what ... 6 years old now?

8 cores, 16 cores, whatever, these new consoles are just a netbook class CPU with a mainstream GPU bolted on. The only thing I find impressive is the shared 8GB GDDR5 memory on the PS4.

You can't look at console specs and compare directly to PC's. It's not how it works.

Do you think you'd be able to run any of the Xbox 360 games on a PC with a X1800 and 512MB RAM?

Consoles get their performance by being fixed spec, and having highly optimised code that has direct access to the hardware.

TheRealDeal · 23 May 2013 at 15:37

Personally could not care about what has more power. It's all about what has better games with stuff that's not been rehashed over and over. I find myself playing the ps3 more these days than i do my pc. Power is not what makes a good gaming machine. Content makes a good gaming machine. I used to upgrade my pc to the latest and greatest because there were loads of games i wanted to play with good settings now its more of a pretty powerful web browser.

gord · 23 May 2013 at 15:41

Calin Banc said:
gord said:

But what you can't dispute is the next gen consoles will once again represent fantastic value for money compared to the equivalent PC setup. They always do. They always subsidise the hardware through the software purchases. Then as time moves on the hardware evolves and PC gaming becomes a more cost effective path. That's pretty much my cycle of entertainment. New console > Upgrade PC (repeat).

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That's because they'll probably sell it to you as a loss (cost more to produce than the price on which is sold), but they'll take all back and some more over the years in games, MP monthly payments and so on.

Did you read the third sentence of the quote you took from me?

Nuclear Fusion · 23 May 2013 at 15:43

gord said:
Well in that case his points are a load of tosh, or at least most certainly will be when they are released.

But the value issue still stands. £500 will get you a decent GPU or a fully equipped entertainment center..

Though, also remember that a computer can be used for more than just gaming. Most people will have a (just approximating here) £500 desktop for basic office and browsing use anyway, adding that same £500 for a console on top of the £500 for the basic PC gives you enough to buy a gaming PC that will outperform any of the new consoles. So in terms of value, you really have to factor in the fact that a PC isn't just a gaming system, it replaces both the gaming system and the standard office PC that everyone will buy at some point anyway.