Nvidia pricing is a joke?

Harlequin · 25 May 2013 at 14:31

LtMatt said:
Really? Didn't realise that. How does the 780 compute performance compare to the 680?

its at 1/24DP32

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-28.html

and ouch, faster than a GTX 680 - on par with a GTX 480

spoffle · 25 May 2013 at 14:32

Reaper123 said:
However, you can't just blame Nvidia or Amd for their pricing, at the end of the day they are here to make money.

If you want prices to be normal again, people should simply stop buying their overpriced products whether they can afford it or not. No point in whining.

When people are willing to pay £1000 for a gpu they unwillingly inflate the prices.

nVidia and AMD are both solely responsible for their own prices and actions.

After all wasn't Nvidia surprised that the Titan by far outsold the 690. What kind of message does that send to a profit seeking company?

I highly doubt the Titan's sales were primarily to gamers, it'll more like have been to people who wanted a cheap K20X.

spoffle · 25 May 2013 at 14:34

Nelly said:
I really cannot be arrsed to argue my case, or get into an argument where spoffle usually ends up getting banned for a few weeks either, I'll let you lot get on with it lol.

Happy days.

You don't have an argument to keep up with anyway.

Nelly · 25 May 2013 at 14:36

spoffle said:
You don't have an argument to keep up with anyway.

Really, well I'll be the judge of that. I'll leave you to get all ratty and get banned like you usually do, because that is you to a tea.

Let you reply and have the last comment, because that's you to a tea too - argumentitive person.

humbug · 25 May 2013 at 14:37

Tonester0011 said:
Prices are based on USD.
Based on how much performance you get per $ you get better value @launch with a GTX780., whether those prices come down to current 680/7970 prices you'll have to wait and see...considering they always eventually come down which increases your PPD i don't see the problem here.

Better value compared to what? the GTX Titan? yes, because its not the 7970, that's better value

Yeah that's the ones i remember seeing. Looks good, and about what you would expect. No idea if it's real though.

Better value compared to what? the GTX Titan? yes, because its not the 7970, that's better value.

I feel this statement is justified again...

£1000 for a single core GPU that's only 30% faster than the £350 competition "oh... but its the fastest one out there so its worth it"

2 months later they release another one, stick the same cooler as the Titan on it, clock it higher to bring it with in a few % of that £1000 (now £800 - £900) GPU and charge a ridicules £550+ for it "Oh... but its like the £900 Titan, almost as fast with the same cooler, so its worth it"

You and I do not live in the U.S.A, and even if we did, the prices are still insane.

Admit it, you know it, stop defending Nvidia's ripoff pricing structure, its mad.

spoffle · 25 May 2013 at 14:39

Nelly said:
Really, well I'll be the judge of that. I'll leave you to get all ratty and get banned like you usually do, because that is you to a T.

Banned like I usually do? I haven't been banned for quite some time now...

Strong argument though.

Let you reply and have the last comment, because that's you to a T too - argumentative person.

To a tea? I don't drink tea if that's what you mean.

IvanDobskey · 25 May 2013 at 14:42

There is no argument here really, Nvidia's pricing is extracting the urine. No doubt about it at all.

se_vietboi · 25 May 2013 at 14:48

IvanDobskey said:
There is no argument here really, Nvidia's pricing is extracting the urine. No doubt about it at all.

There appears to be a lot of doubt judging by the amount of people defending the prices.

Rroff · 25 May 2013 at 14:56

spoffle said:
I highly doubt the Titan's sales were primarily to gamers, it'll more like have been to people who wanted a cheap K20X.

No doubt a lot have sold to people who wanted a cheap compute card but a ton have sold to gamers to - I'm quite suprised how many people I know have bought Titan SLI setups for gaming.

RobotGirl · 25 May 2013 at 14:57

I think that they are pricing most consumers out of the market, but that won't change until people stop buying them and I think they may well have reached that point .Like most companies they take as much as they can ! for as long as they can get it/take it .

Reaper123 · 25 May 2013 at 15:02

spoffle said:
nVidia and AMD are both solely responsible for their own prices and actions. ]

No they are not solely responsible, they price accordingly to what customers are willing to pay and the cost of manufacturing.

Rroff · 25 May 2013 at 15:05

RobotGirl said:
I think that they are pricing most consumers out of the market, but that won't change until people stop buying them and I think they may well have reached that point .Like most companies they take as much as they can ! for as long as they can get it/take it .

Part of the problem is the price/performance brackets too - nVidia just doesn't have a card that sits in the exact price/performance position currently that the 7950 did/does and what I've always bought in the past (GTX470, GTX260, 8800GT, etc.) I'm not too bothered what the high end card prices are if people are prepared to pay that but the 670 and 660ti bracket the old sensible money/performance slot rather badly and it looks like being the same with the 700 series.

James J · 25 May 2013 at 15:11

I think the problem is a mixture of AMD not releasing the 8xxx/9xxx series yet (whichever comes first, depending on rumours) and the fact that only a handful of games actually test a 680 and 7970 card to start with. I personally feel that when the consoles come out and ports improve in graphical quality to the PC, plus with the release of the AMD card to rival a titan, the market will again resume fairly normal prices. The pound has taken another beating against the dollar though, so I think that £450-£500 is going to be normal pricing from this point on.

humbug · 25 May 2013 at 15:16

James J said:
I think the problem is a mixture of AMD not releasing the 8xxx/9xxx series yet (whichever comes first, depending on rumours) and the fact that only a handful of games actually test a 680 and 7970 card to start with. I personally feel that when the consoles come out and ports improve in graphical quality to the PC, plus with the release of the AMD card to rival a titan, the market will again resume fairly normal prices. The pound has taken another beating against the dollar though, so I think that £450-£500 is going to be normal pricing from this point on.

I wouldn't mind the 8/9970 @ £450-£500 if its as fast or faster than the GTX Titan.

But I think the 20nm AMD GPU's will be significantly faster than the GTX Titan so £550 is fine.

James J · 25 May 2013 at 15:19

humbug said:
I wouldn't mind the 8/9970 @ £450-£500 if its as fast or faster than the GTX Titan.

But I think the 20nm AMD GPU's will be significantly faster than the GTX Titan so £550 is fine.

I cant see it being £840 like a titan tbh as it'll be released so much later than the titan. Us titan users get most of a year at the performance level for the price difference, which is fine for us. You pay a hefty premium for top level performance, especially when the gaming market has almost stagnated due to the imminent release of the new consoles.

edit: I doubt they'll be significantly faster as AMD don't make large die GPUs. I'd bet it would be within 10% if it was indeed faster.

Gregster · 25 May 2013 at 15:26

humbug said:
The 7970 was the fastest single core GPU on launch, it cost £420

The GTX Titan was and remains the fastest single core GPU, on launch it cast £999 (£579 more than the 7970) and still costs £800.
The GTX 780, not even the fastest GPU and costs £550, £130 more than the 7970 cost when it was the fastest GPU, whats more the GTX 780 costs £250 more than the 7970 does today while only being 20 - 25% faster.

Nvidia's prices are absolutely ridicules, their prices are insulting. Nvidia are rip-off merchants and if I was an Nvidia customer I would be absolutely livid.

How many times do you need telling that the launch price of the Titan was $999 and I paid £817.79 each on launch day. You keep saying it was £1000 (and now £999) but surely I know what I paid?

humbug · 25 May 2013 at 15:32

What you ^^^^ paid and what most others had to pay I suspect is quite different, none the less, £420 vs £820, right....

James J said:
I cant see it being £840 like a titan tbh as it'll be released so much later than the titan. Us titan users get most of a year at the performance level for the price difference, which is fine for us. You pay a hefty premium for top level performance, especially when the gaming market has almost stagnated due to the imminent release of the new consoles.

edit: I doubt they'll be significantly faster as AMD don't make large die GPUs. I'd bet it would be within 10% if it was indeed faster.

20nm yields almost double the transistor count, so there is potential for twice the Stream Processors on a similar sized DIE.
there are sites out there with apparently leaked slides suggesting 4096 SP's, 64 ROP's and 512Bit Bus. "no idea how accurate they are" but a realistic.

Nvidia have also claimed ~2x the performance on Maxwell vs the GTX 680.

AMD will probably also add Parallel Processing Units to the GPU. those same slides show 16 of them, probably AMD's own Jaguar cores as opposed to the ARM PPU's Nvidia claim will be on Maxwell.

Rroff · 25 May 2013 at 15:36

At launch like the very moment they went live most of the Titans were £799.99 at a fair few places, climbed into 800s in the hours later and few days (can't remember exactly how many but wasn't long after) later were hitting £1000. (I know a couple of people who were F5ing bought at £800 and when the prices hit £1000 said screw it and sold them for the profit and went back to their older card lol).

Tonester0011 · 25 May 2013 at 15:37

humbug said:
I wouldn't mind the 8/9970 @ £450-£500 if its as fast or faster than the GTX Titan.

But I think the 20nm AMD GPU's will be significantly faster than the GTX Titan so £550 is fine.

Wait wait wait...
It's alright for AMD to price at "insane" levels if it beats the coveted Titan? This whole debacle is because some people feel the graphic card manufacturers have taken the proverbial because the prices have gone up...now it's ok to price that high if it takes the current performance crown

humbug · 25 May 2013 at 15:43

Tonester0011 said:
Wait wait wait...
It's alright for AMD to price at "insane" levels if it beats the coveted Titan? This whole debacle is because some people feel the graphic card manufacturers have taken the proverbial because the prices have gone up...now it's ok to price that high if it takes the current performance crown

What are you walking about? £550 for a GPU faster than the one @ £800+