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Nvidia pricing is a joke?

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ubersonic said:
That is a refresh ^^ you may be getting confused as the GT770/760Ti are both refreshes and re-brands at the same time. And actually the 7970GE wasn't just a clock up, they raised clocks and implemented a clone of Nvidia's boost clock tech.
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What Nvidia did with the GTX 770 is a rehash, thought it might yet actually be a refresh if there are actually architectural improvements.

That to me is a refresh, the same architecture improved.
The 7970 GE and 7870 XT Boost / 7950 Boost are architecturally identical to the first 7970, they just have a different BIOS with boost and higher clocks added.

But I do realise its an interpretation thats subjective.
 
humbug said:
It doesn't take AMD's entire staff to put out a few press releases, publish a few roadmaps.

If they have a future plan, if they have a roadmap, then they have these things to hand, so how much work is it to pick up the phone and send out some stuff, make a few statements? this is why people say there is nothing.
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They made a statement not that long ago that the 7000 series would be their main product throughout most of 2013. Not ruling out an intermediate refresh but most of their development focus seems to be towards 20nm now.
 
Mr Krugga said:
It happened before. Nvidia dropped the price of GTX 280 from $649 to $499 shortly after launch to make it a bit more competitive against Radeon 4800.
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Ah that i did not know! Well in that case we may see a repeat of history here??

This makes me excited haha!
 
humbug said:
It doesn't take AMD's entire staff to put out a few press releases, publish a few roadmaps.

If they have a future plan, if they have a roadmap, then they have these things to hand, so how much work is it to pick up the phone and send out some stuff, make a few statements? this is why people say there is nothing.
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That is true maybe some things are only a phone call away but if they really want to stir things up then they would need to plan how they want to announce it for the best impact to it's audience. Afterall they have a lot to live upto after titan and gtx 780 launch which is a whole new gen of gpu's.

Or like you say maybe they just don't have anything that compares to them or would be able to manufacture quick enough for this year release.
 
680 to 780 performance increase costs about ~£40 for every ~10% extra, is this going to happen every new series now considering the 780 is the second fastest card in the Nvidia lineup?

Looking around the net, loads of very, very unhappy Titan owners out there too, not every owner I may add, but more unhappy by far.

ubersonic said:
Its actually quite true, AMD have (Historically) had more issues with drivers/etc than Nvidia and thus have acquired a rep for it despite things being much better these days (much better not equalling perfect of course, recently an issue with the HD7900 drivers that went unfixed for a year saw a lot of us forced to move to GTX600 :()
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Some Nvidia users are still suffering from bugs that haven't been eradicated from launch with the 6 series that keep coming back to haunt them.

TDR issues are harder to eradicate with the 6 series as there is next to no way of applying extra voltage for an easy fix, leaving down time for RMA's.

AMD have their problems too, it's not a one way street, but IMO, AMD's appear to be getting 'better', while Nvidia's having more problems than usual.

The recent AMD CrossFire frame time issue is a prime example of net marketing, it's not as 'good' as SLi, but there is no fanfare with the 7 series having superior frame times in single card mode-where most are being used.

Users have been forced to go both ways, it's not a one way street by far, take a trip to respective official forums and you'll see countless unhappy users from both camps, saying they are off to the other team.

Historically, Nvidia have had hardware failures on simply a massive scale in comparison too, with faulty drivers burning out gpu's and faulty assembled/designed discrete gpus on laptops-put a search into big G for laptop gpu reflow, then come back and tell me AMD have had more issues with their gpu's, remembering we are talking AMD, not ATI.
 
Rroff said:
They made a statement not that long ago that the 7000 series would be their main product throughout most of 2013. Not ruling out an intermediate refresh but most of their development focus seems to be towards 20nm now.
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True :) but I do feel right now is the time to restate that, but more, expand on it, perhaps even decide if they are going to have a refresh or something added to the HD 7K line, like a 2560 SP / 64 ROP: 7980 to compete with the GTX 780.

If they know they can get 20nm out in 2013 then now is the time to draw up diagrams, roadmaps and send them to Anand, Toms Hardware, TPU ecte.....
 
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humbug said:
True :) but I do feel right now is the time to restate that, but more, expand on it, perhaps even decide if they are going to have a refresh or something added to the HD 7K line, like a 2560 SP / 64 ROP: 7980 to compete with the GTX 780.

If they know they can get 20nm out in 2013 then now is the time to draw up diagrams, roadmaps and send them to Anand, Toms Hardware, TPU ecte.....
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I have to say i do agree with what you're saying here. It would surely make things a lot more interesting in the gpu market.

Harlequin said:
which could also mean , AMD VI might well come in at £550+ as well
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Lets hope we're wrong then.
 
my gut feeling on that is AMD will come in at £550+ since nv is `leading the way` with acceptable higher prices - when reviews say the £550 GTX 780 is a bargin compared to the £800 Titan , you get how were being ` shown` the way forward.....
 
Harlequin said:
my gut feeling on that is AMD will come in at £550+ since nv is `leading the way` with acceptable higher prices - when reviews say the £550 GTX 780 is a bargin compared to the £800 Titan , you get how were being ` shown` the way forward.....
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when you look at it like that then of course the 780 looks a bargain! but then compare to previous gens and you realise that "hold on a minute... I've been trolled!" :o


Maybe we should all just accept the fact that prices are gonna stay as they are and we'll be paying more in the future as manufacturing processes get more complicated and expensive
 
Harlequin said:
my gut feeling on that is AMD will come in at £550+ since nv is `leading the way` with acceptable higher prices - when reviews say the £550 GTX 780 is a bargin compared to the £800 Titan , you get how were being ` shown` the way forward.....
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Jay85 said:
when you look at it like that then of course the 780 looks a bargain! but then compare to previous gens and you realise that "hold on a minute... I've been trolled!" :o


Maybe we should all just accept the fact that prices are gonna stay as they are and we'll be paying more in the future as manufacturing processes get more complicated and expensive
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This is the problem with reviewers, they either don't have an ounce of common sense, or there being led around by the nose, or worse there being paid off.

Not all that long ago I feel reviewers would have sent a #### storm Nvidia's way for charging an insane amount for the GTX Titan and then justify the very high price of the GTX 780 against that insane price.

Instead what they are doing is following Nvidia's marketing lead, inevitably Nvidia fans just read that, nod, and then argue the same reasoning on forums.

Exactly the same thing happened when Nvidia ripped out the GPU compute on the GTX 600, launched them with 2GB of 192Bit and 256Bit memory to save on production costs.

Nvidia said "you don't need more" reviewers repeated that "you don't need more" army of fans "you don't need more"
 
£550 for a crippled £800 professional product just to make it for home users.... DP compute is worse than the GRX 480!
 
kaku said:
Funny how the comments from three years ago mirror the comments being made at the GTX 780 launch.
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Lol, just looked...thought i was reading this forum instead.
Way too expensive on both fronts considering general slight performance increase.
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This makes a Ati 5870 for £295 a better buy and hopefully they will reduce further.
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With prices as high as this, only the hardcore fanboys will be getting these new cards.
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