On that basis though a 7970 is poor value when a 7950 is £120 cheaper, a GTX680 is poor value when a GTX670 is £100 cheaper, where do we draw the line?
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On that basis though a 7970 is poor value when a 7950 is £120 cheaper, a GTX680 is poor value when a GTX670 is £100 cheaper, where do we draw the line?
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What really gets my goat is that in the US you can get the vanilla EVGA GTX780 for $649 and the ECGA ACX Superclock GTX780 costs only $10 more @ $659 at a well known pc hardware store.
Here in the UK the difference in price from the Vanilla EVGA GTX780 and the EVGA ACX Superclock is £41 difference??
Eh??
Here in the UK the difference in price from the Vanilla EVGA GTX780 and the EVGA ACX Superclock is £41 difference??
Eh??
Have you found it a worthwhile jump?
Haven't gotten a chance to test it yet since the delivery takes a while over this long weekend.
I game at 2560x1440 and from all accounts I've seen, I should be expecting a 50-100% improvement, my anticipation is quite high at this point.
What really gets my goat is that in the US you can get the vanilla EVGA GTX780 for $649 and the ECGA ACX Superclock GTX780 costs only $10 more @ $659 at a well known pc hardware store.
Here in the UK the difference in price from the Vanilla EVGA GTX780 and the EVGA ACX Superclock is £41 difference??
Eh??
Even worse, you can get the standard clock EVGA GTX 780 with the ACX cooler directly from EVGA US for $649.
It's EVGA's fault, though, just check the prices in their EU store.
I'll keep a look out for your comments when you get to try it out. I'm looking at a similar upgrade at some point, hence my interest.
I'll keep a look out for your comments when you get to try it out. I'm looking at a similar upgrade at some point, hence my interest.
I've gotten a bargain at £190 from MM, but if I was buying new, there were a few very tempting deals on 7950s, with a bundle of games worth £50, for £200. I needed a reference card for watercooling, though, and finding a reasonably priced reference 7950 is pretty much impossible these days.
I might do some benchmarks if you're interested. Any specific ones you might have in mind?
All of that is true. You draw a line at a point where you can't compromise on either performance or quality any more. Radeon 7950 3GB is by far the best value card of those.
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Any benchmarks at all would be appreciated, but please don't go out of your way just for me.
Tbh, if it wasn't for me modding games, then I'd probably be quite happy to stay with my current card.
Any benchmarks at all would be appreciated, but please don't go out of your way just for me.
Tbh, if it wasn't for me modding games, then I'd probably be quite happy to stay with my current card.
I know your pain. Although most modded games don't require all that much power, Skyrim, Fallout games, GTA IV and a few other titles really straggle with performance once you start customising them to your liking. I'm not even a sucker for high AA levels or SuperSampling.
Why do I keep reading NVIDIA price discussions on this board on launch prices are nothing to go by when a year later the most they've dropped is £10 to £30. While some people go on like it's dropped by £100...
Yet I still keep reading people saying NVIDIA don't drop their prices, if it all.
Yet I still keep reading people saying NVIDIA don't drop their prices, if it all.
OK, I'll bite.
Launch prices (taken from the Hexus and official MSRP):
GeForce GTX 670 - £330 in stock OcUK / $399 MSRP
GeForce GTX 680 - £420 in stock OcUK (£400 pre-order) / $499 MSRP
Radeon HD 7950 - £350 / $449 MSRP
Radeon HD 7970 - £440 (£420 pre-order OcUK) / $549 MSRP
Today's best prices available (thanks to MSI and OcUK promo):
GeForce GTX 670 - £278 (OcUK, after cashback) / $330 (after MIR)
GeForce GTX 680 - £350 (OcUK, after cashback) / $410 (after MIR)
Radeon HD 7950 - £208 (OcUK, after cashback) / $270
Radeon HD 7970 - £300 / $330 (after MIR)
Obviously the US prices don't include any sales tax and most assume free delivery to regular customers.
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Shops dropping their prices aren't nVidia price drops.
nVidia set the GTX780's price at $550, people are discussing how $550 is an unecessary increase over the GTX 680's price.
Launch prices will drop because that's retailer price gouging, these are the price drops people are discussing.
Retailers do get discounts from the suppliers and as a general rule, prices drop over time. Retailers' margins remain fairly consistent all the time.
What really gets my goat is that in the US you can get the vanilla EVGA GTX780 for $649 and the ECGA ACX Superclock GTX780 costs only $10 more @ $659 at a well known pc hardware store.
Here in the UK the difference in price from the Vanilla EVGA GTX780 and the EVGA ACX Superclock is £41 difference??
Eh??
It's not because we're in the UK, it's because of retailers price gouging.
Yeah I know, I'm talking about the initial price drop when the retailers stop the price gouging after the first few weeks.
Whereas V.F. suggested that the most we see is £10-30 over a year, whereas it's more like £30-50 in the space of a month or so due to price gouging.
What I find amusing is that Nvidia and retailers still target Geforce GTX 670 against the Radeon 7970, whereas in reality the 7970 is often faster than GTX 680.
It only shows how much brand value Nvidia cards have behind them and the situation is not likely to change any time soon.
It only shows how much brand value Nvidia cards have behind them and the situation is not likely to change any time soon.
What really gets my goat is that in the US you can get the vanilla EVGA GTX780 for $649 and the ECGA ACX Superclock GTX780 costs only $10 more @ $659 at a well known pc hardware store.
Here in the UK the difference in price from the Vanilla EVGA GTX780 and the EVGA ACX Superclock is £41 difference??
Eh??
it's not £41 difference between reference and ACX - it's £80. The release price for the reference cards was lower, and you can find them on the market for the original price. What you cannot find is the ACX version below £620 - only a handful of retailers list them, and all have prices above 620 quid - the effects remind me of price fixing. I will not suport any company that seems to adopt this kind of practice.
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My apologies, I just realised Mr Krugga was comparing GTX780 prices to GTX680 prices. Having said that the release price of GTX680 here in the UK was £420 but it is now £360 and we must compare based on the current pricing.
Release price vs release price
£420 vs £550 = 31%
Curent prices of both
£360 vs £550 = 53%
Even if we go by the release prices, it should be remembered that it is usually normal for a new card to enter at the same price point of the card it replaced. So we should not be seeing any price hikes based on performance increase IMHO. Hence my response because under no circumstance should we accept a price hike based on performance increase. If we do then next year the Titan replacement could be $1200.
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I totally agree, that is why I sold my HD 7970 Matrix and GTX680 Lightning and replaced them with a HD 7950. Half the price and only marginally slower when all three are overclocked.
Regardless though, some people go on like you're getting great deals waiting them out when so many people say NVIDIA don't or rarely drop their prices. I always keep reading NVIDIA owners jumping between their theories. If the price drops £30 - £50, it's still not a a great deal on £500 cards.
I mean sometimes reading these past years on NVIDIA you'd think they were paying £150 with £40 - £60 knocked off with a mass flood of buy now.
How many times do you read people on this forum saying, they've been waiting over a year for dropping prices and nothing has changed? and the prices are more or less the same since launch day. Yet so many keep saying wait it out when it rarely happens.
Struggling to see the market for these non reference coolers, assuming locked volts, given how good the stock cooler is. Is it just a looks thing?
I replaced my stock 680 cooler with a £20 or so Arctic Cooling one. It keeps the card MUCH cooler, with ZERO noise and keeps the card below the magic 60 Degree C to prevent throttling on the overclock.
The stock cooler is good, but the aftermarket ones are better. I am happy to put my own on, but I would not pay MUCH MUCH more for a Manufacturer cooler over a stock one on an identical piece of silicone.
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