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Its the greddy. Again, cant speak directly like for like as the charger was installed when I bought it, but cant say I've noticed any dips. You can definately tell when it kicks in though so maybe its there to some degree

There is a bit of spin if its wet and your being an idiot at the lights, but I've been in far worse to be honest. And that was only really before I changed the tires to the eagles. Going through the gears you get nothing.

Also changed the exhaust to the magnaflow here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pag6V-UI43Q

...so sounds like a deranged wasp when the charger churps up : ) Can get a little noisy inside as they removed a lot of the sound proofing to save weight in the TRD editions, but I can live with it until I need to pass her on to her next owner. Haven't had it on a dyno yet though
 
Hi guys

Here is mine stock at the min as only had it two months but am looking into getting induction kit.

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cmsbfent said:
Its the greddy. Again, cant speak directly like for like as the charger was installed when I bought it, but cant say I've noticed any dips. You can definately tell when it kicks in though so maybe its there to some degree

There is a bit of spin if its wet and your being an idiot at the lights, but I've been in far worse to be honest. And that was only really before I changed the tires to the eagles. Going through the gears you get nothing.

Also changed the exhaust to the magnaflow here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pag6V-UI43Q

...so sounds like a deranged wasp when the charger churps up : ) Can get a little noisy inside as they removed a lot of the sound proofing to save weight in the TRD editions, but I can live with it until I need to pass her on to her next owner. Haven't had it on a dyno yet though
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that's cool it matches my own experience of superstrut on a fwd car, my car wasn't slow, I chased down and passed a 300bhp gt-four with relative ease at combe in a less than 200bhp fwd celica, despite having an awful setup that time and being up to 5 seconds slower per lap than the previous time at combe in this car, different rear suspension setup, my car honestly felt underpowered as you could not trouble the front end, under pretty much any conditions, this car along with my friends integra type-r dc2, re-wrote my understanding of what a fwd could do, especially after a corolla t-sport lol. You can hear the tyres crying, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWckv2WHqPM . Also I've never driven a car quite like it in the wet, the first time I took it on track, we had some wet weather, and despite running r888's, I was only getting quicker in the wet, even the guy in the car was commenting at how were finding speed despite the rain getting heavier. Its a tremendous suspension design, understeer didn't really feature it would just turn on the nose with little fuss, i'm not a great driver so I like a car that's stable and doesn't move around underneath me much and it was utterly planted no matter what. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1qoDCcVUY


The trd sports is an interesting car, they gave up a little soundproofing not for lightness but so they could add strengthening to the pillars for extra stiffness, its actually heavier than a uk 190, but only a tiny amount, more than offset by the lsd and better suspension. They were converted from production Celica's by Toyota Modelista in japan, the conversion was done by hand in garage rather than on the production line. They got trd sportive suspension, the superstrut front end, a torsen lsd and a lightened stock flywheel, the engine despite the best efforts of fensport and every advert that ever copied them is completely stock though and doesn't have the copy and paste list of trd parts fensport created (although maybe they just copied it from others aswell). Its still high on my list of cars to own. The uk Celica's are soft tbh, no offense they are ok, but compared to their superstrut equipped jdm cousins their is no comparison, and even they are far too soft out of the box, but with decent suspension they will surprise you!.
 
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Yeah, theres certainly a bit of a mystery surrounding the m's. From what I know, they were hand picked, all 1200 of them, but then uniquely modified dependant on what was available. Sounds odd, but without going into the engine completely, you cant tell whats in it. One TRD may be different than another.

For example, some were made up with TRD pistons, some werent. Some had x-section con rods, some had i-section. New, they were said to have 210 bhp but where the extra 20 came from, I have no idea :p

Ive read it could be down to the ECU, weight, set up.. The list goes on. Recommend them though. But whether you can get more for the money, probably. Ive just always loved the look of them as well.
 
cmsbfent said:
Yeah, theres certainly a bit of a mystery surrounding the m's. From what I know, they were hand picked, all 1200 of them, but then uniquely modified dependant on what was available. Sounds odd, but without going into the engine completely, you cant tell whats in it. One TRD may be different than another.

For example, some were made up with TRD pistons, some werent. Some had x-section con rods, some had i-section. New, they were said to have 210 bhp but where the extra 20 came from, I have no idea :p

Ive read it could be down to the ECU, weight, set up.. The list goes on. Recommend them though. But whether you can get more for the money, probably. Ive just always loved the look of them as well.
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Yeah but actually only forged pistons, exhaust back box, and a replacement airfilter( stock airbox) were the only official options. anything else was added by the owner. Sports m engines have been dismantled and been found to be completely stock, not talking looks the same, is the same, part numbers stamped on the cams, original casting of pistons etc, I've seen one myself and it was a completely stock engine, even the flywheel was a lightened stock example, not the trd part, and the ecu carry's the stock ecu code, so there is no difference other than those few options. It is not worth getting hung up on the engine mods though as it is totally missing the point of the car, the entire point of the car is handling, the extra power is a myth and i'm afraid to say does not really exist, the car could not have been produced at the cost it was with internal engine mods. There is no such thing as a trd ecu for the 2zz-ge. trd do not make ecu's, and when it comes to racing they use motec etc. It annoys me a lot that these cars are sold under the premise of having various trd engine mods, and you will be incredibly and I mean incredibly lucky if the engine is anything other than just the same as every other 2zz-ge, win the lottery lucky... And ironically these cars have never been near TRD, they simply use various off the shelf trd parts, but that is not a bad thing, TRD are like mugen etc, they are expensive, but you can be guaranteed the quality is of oem or higher.
 
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Where have all these people come from?

Hadn't realized there are so many Toyota owners on here. My car is standard at the moment. Just need to fix a few things to get it up to scratch really.
 
We're all in the woodwork, waiting for the brief, fleeting instances when it's 'cool' and socically acceptable on OcUK forums to own a Toyota.

And then everything quickly reverts back to the daily BMW and Mondeo threads :o
 
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If anyone with a Celica T-Sport fancies something bigger I would consider doing some kind of trade with my Accord Type-S :)
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have you driven the celica t-sport? its a world away from the corolla in handling, rumour has it though that on the test track the corolla was beating the celica so they hobbled the suspension and quoted the 0-60 a second higher than it really was (we timed my corolla at 6.4 with the tcs off on the g-pro), it didn't hurt the insurance cost though. I can see some merit as its a fraction lighter, around 10kg for the 3 door, and has a better drag coefficient than the celica, but a bit more frontal area. I often wondered if its a rumour created by disgruntled corolla owners though lol. The only thing that bugs me about the gen 7 celica is the interior is such a let down in terms of quality and materials, the gen 6 was better imo, Toyota really dropped the ball there because otherwise its a good car, really cheap these days aswell.

The corolla's suspension was so terrible I remember the ozzy owners club had a thread along the lines of does this car think its a 4x4 the suspension was so high as standard lol.
 
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Yeah driven a few I used to work for a Toyota main dealer, from what I remember the Celica handled a lot better than the Pre-Facelift Corolla, it felt much lower to the ground and had a more driver focussed driving position but I owned a facelift Corolla T-Sport for over two years and thought the handling was spot on and the improvements over the pre-facelift were very noticeable I never had a problem with it, just needed firming up a bit as do most warm hatches/Saloons/Coupes etc, I think the EP3 was better but not by as much as people make out. I've already had a Corolla though so if I was to get a VVTL-I motor again it would have to be a Celica or a Compressor
 
cant coment on the facelift as I never drove one and the different springs/dampers etc could have made all the difference as its not a fundamental car problem but a setup problem that plagues the pre facelift. The compressor is an interesting car, there is some great vids on youtube of them hammering round tracks and they seem very capable!, would love to try one as it seems to address all the faults of the stock car and then some.

Not sure if many people are aware, but at the same time as the celica sports m, they also did a corolla sports m, which had the same options, very very rare and looks great with the trd bumper. Sports M wasn't limited to the celica or corolla, they modded many Toyota models but the celica is the only one that has seen any meaningful numbers exported.
 
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Owned a facelift Celica TSport too,and it was a brilliantly fun, poised car that was also quite rare. Great fun.
 
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