poaching - seven rhinos killed again...

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Gunshots rang out across the wilderness on 23 May when poachers shot to death one rhino in Lake Nakuru National Park. Then three days later on 26 May they struck two sites, Solio Ranch near Nyeri in central Kenya, and at Ngulia Rhino Sanctuary in Tsavo West National Park killing one rhino in each protected area. The very next day they struck again at Meru National Park in the north of the country where they shot yet another rhino. Two days later on 29 May, three more rhino were poached on a private ranch Oserian Wildlife Sanctuary.
All of these sanctuaries were created specifically to save rhinos in Kenya. Although the authorities heard the gunshots in every case, and even saw the poachers cutting horns in Oserian, no arrests have been made, and all the horns except those of the Oserian rhinos were taken.
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To Kenyans it feels as if the country is losing the battle against poachers. According to the government agency, Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya lost 384 elephants and 30 rhinos to criminals last year. By the end of May the official tally is 21 rhinos and 117 elephants, however many experts believe these are underestimates.
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If the situation is bad in Kenya, in South Africa it is catastrophic. The country has already lost 350 rhinos this year.
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http://gu.com/p/3g9t5

Sad, sad times as always when innocent animals are killed, whether they are the two or four legged kind...

Personally I'm all for lethal force, it's a war, much like any other. Send in the armed forces (western special forces helping) and shoot armed poachers on sight, no arrests unless they surrender IMO, much like in any other warzone.

These are not local villagers killing to make a little money, they are almost exclusively large organised gangs also dealing in drugs, weapons and other organised criminal activities.

That alongside going for the traders should hopefully reduce this barbaric practice.
 
Amp34 said:
Personally I'm all for lethal force, it's a war, much like any other. Send in the armed forces (western special forces helping) and shoot armed poachers on sight, no arrests unless they surrender IMO, much like in any other warzone.
These are not local villagers killing to make a little money, they are almost exclusively large organised gangs also dealing in drugs, weapons and other organised criminal activities.
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I agree. Having seen these animals in the wild, they are magnificent creatures and it is so sad to read about this.
 
dont a lot of these places have armed guards who pretty much would take a bullet for these animals? How come these particular places havent got that in place?
 
Amp34 said:
http://gu.com/p/3g9t5

Sad, sad times as always when innocent animals are killed, whether they are the two or four legged kind...

Personally I'm all for lethal force, it's a war, much like any other. Send in the armed forces (western special forces helping) and shoot armed poachers on sight, no arrests unless they surrender IMO, much like in any other warzone.

These are not local villagers killing to make a little money, they are almost exclusively large organised gangs also dealing in drugs, weapons and other organised criminal activities.

That alongside going for the traders should hopefully reduce this barbaric practice.
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hmm
 
Western governments being allowed to send in troops and equipment to help protect areas of outstanding animals is something I would back. A few fast response troops and some sort of aerial surveillance (unmanned drone?) would be fairly cheap if the responsibility was shared around a few countries.
 
Gilly said:
Authorities saw them cutting horns and didn't even arrest them? :confused:
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I'm guessing because they ran away and as they currently have to abide by civil laws you can't shoot someone running away. :(

bitslice said:
In other areas it's actually the Congolese army that poaches protected gorillas and elephants

http://www.globalanimal.org/2013/01/23/elephant-poachers-given-weapons/89770/



Hurray for impotent Chinese rhino horn using morons, and our pussy government for not challenging them about this because we need their trade :(
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Apparently the Zimbabwean army are also feeding their troops on elephant due to lack of money too. At least in other more stable nations (Kenya, Botswana, SA etc.) there are chances to stop it, alongside help from western soldiers.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
dont a lot of these places have armed guards who pretty much would take a bullet for these animals? How come these particular places havent got that in place?
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Do you have any idea how big an area needs to be secured to effectively protect and police these animals?

OP mentioned lethal force - I completely agree.
 
Did anyone else read the title that the rhinos have been killed again as in they came back to life and it had to be done twice?
 
Really we need to remove the demand, stupid alternative medicine which uses these ingredients is the problem.

You can't really blame people in a very poor nation doing jobs which pay well - it's the developed world (China mostly in this case) which is funding this problem.
 
elmarko said:
Really we need to remove the demand, stupid alternative medicine which uses these ingredients is the problem.

You can't really blame people in a very poor nation doing jobs which pay well - it's the developed world (China mostly in this case) which is funding this problem.
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yet when it comes to testing medicine on animals such as dogs, cats, rats, monkeys people don't give a damn and turn a blind eye in the name of science. Double standards much.
 
majnu said:
yet when it comes to testing medicine on animals such as dogs, cats, rats, monkeys people don't give a damn and turn a blind eye in the name of science. Double standards much.
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It's a bit of an odd thing to assume that people who are against poaching are likely to be generally in favour of animal testing.

The purpose of the testing (regardless as to what some may say) does matter - animals testing for cosmetics, or killing animals for some stupid alternative medicine is worse than testing for medical science.

While we could debate the similarities all day, they are not the same.
 
Really so what? I'm never going to see a Rhino (unless I become African-big-game-hunt level rich), and I don't care that I'll never see a woolly mammoth or a dodo or a dinosaur. I dont care if rhinos go extinct.
 
elmarko said:
Really we need to remove the demand, stupid alternative medicine which uses these ingredients is the problem.

You can't really blame people in a very poor nation doing jobs which pay well - it's the developed world (China mostly in this case) which is funding this problem.
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The irony is , rhino horn is made of the same material our finger nails are made of
so these idiots might as well grind up nail clippings and sell it a rhino horn!
 
kwerk said:
Really so what? I'm never going to see a Rhino (unless I become African-big-game-hunt level rich), and I don't care that I'll never see a woolly mammoth or a dodo or a dinosaur. I dont care if rhinos go extinct.
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Amazing attitude, were read that at your funeral if someone decides one day they want to kill you for a body part.
 
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