poaching - seven rhinos killed again...

majnu said:
yet when it comes to testing medicine on animals such as dogs, cats, rats, monkeys people don't give a damn and turn a blind eye in the name of science. Double standards much.
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I think you missed all the protests in the 90s outside boots stores
 
elmarko said:
Really we need to remove the demand, stupid alternative medicine which uses these ingredients is the problem.

You can't really blame people in a very poor nation doing jobs which pay well - it's the developed world (China mostly in this case) which is funding this problem.
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The problem is we've moved past the whole poor locals killing animals to sell to the east. Most poaching now is done by high tech organised criminals with night vision and expensive weaponry. It's got nothing to do with surviving, everything to do with profit.

It's why poaching has increased dramatically over the last few years after declining for decades.

elmarko said:
It's a bit of an odd thing to assume that people who are against poaching are likely to be generally in favour of animal testing.

The purpose of the testing (regardless as to what some may say) does matter - animals testing for cosmetics, or killing animals for some stupid alternative medicine is worse than testing for medical science.

While we could debate the similarities all day, they are not the same.
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We're also not testing on rare animals whose populations have collapsed 90-99% in the last 100 years...

kwerk said:
Really so what? I'm never going to see a Rhino (unless I become African-big-game-hunt level rich), and I don't care that I'll never see a woolly mammoth or a dodo or a dinosaur. I dont care if rhinos go extinct.
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Really? You can get a flight to Africa and a week to a game park for about £1300 and you'll be almost guarenteed to see a Rhino if you go to some parks. Either way, just because you don't see them doesn't mean they should be exterminated.
 
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Amp34 said:
Really? You can get a flight to Africa and a week to a game park for about £1300 and you'll be almost guarenteed to see a Rhino if you go to some parks. Either way, just because you don't see them doesn't mean they should be exterminated.
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In fairness, he's not saying that they should be exterminated but that he wouldn't care if they were.
 
kwerk said:
Really so what? I'm never going to see a Rhino (unless I become African-big-game-hunt level rich), and I don't care that I'll never see a woolly mammoth or a dodo or a dinosaur. I dont care if rhinos go extinct.
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Wow!
What a self-absorbed, cold and un-evolved mindset, how you can say that and not feel ashamed is utterly mind-boggling !
It's thanks to selfish and uncaring attitudes like this that some of Earths most amazing animals are either extinct or on the brink of going extinct :mad:

Newsflash A-holes, your time on this planet is a privilege NOT a right so how about starting to behave and think accordingly ?
 
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Amp34 said:
The problem is we've moved past the whole poor locals killing animals to sell to the east. Most poaching now is done by high tech organised criminals with night vision and expensive weaponry. It's got nothing to do with surviving, everything to do with profit.
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If that's true, then there's absolutely nothing we, or anyone else, can do about it.
 
White people are really the only people that care about this stuff on a meaningful level, due to the inherent white guilt they suffer from, their busybody nature, and the excess of spare time they have to worry about "problems" like this. Ironically white people themselves will go extinct one day soon and the Chinese will most likely take command of the Earth. I'm sure that will bode well for mother nature.
 
Amp34 said:
The problem is we've moved past the whole poor locals killing animals to sell to the east. Most poaching now is done by high tech organised criminals with night vision and expensive weaponry. It's got nothing to do with surviving, everything to do with profit.

It's why poaching has increased dramatically over the last few years after declining for decades.



We're also not testing on rare animals whose populations have collapsed 90-99% in the last 100 years...



Really? You can get a flight to Africa and a week to a game park for about £1300 and you'll be almost guarenteed to see a Rhino if you go to some parks. Either way, just because you don't see them doesn't mean they should be exterminated.
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Why would I want to? Whose lives are improved by rhinos existing? A bunch of over-privileged western tourists with too much time and money on their hands who want to take pictures on them so they can post them on facebook and boast about how wordly and envirmnetally-concious they are.

99/100ths of the human population doesn't give a crap about looking at rhinos, including me.
 
majnu said:
yet when it comes to testing medicine on animals such as dogs, cats, rats, monkeys people don't give a damn and turn a blind eye in the name of science. Double standards much.
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Wait wait ... dogs, cats, rats and monkeys* are endangered? When did this happen? Why wasn't I informed? There's like 6 cats on my street RIGHT NOW. Someone get me a damn rifle quick, they need protecting!

Seriously though, I don't turn a blind eye to scientific experimentation of animals, in-fact I support it whole heartedly. I am assuming you are against it ... are you going to volunteer to replace guinnie pigs and down some untested pills? Or maybe boycott pretty much all medication in existance and never receive blood?

*The three species of monkey used in medical experiments are in no way endangered.
 
kwerk said:
Why would I want to? Whose lives are improved by rhinos existing? A bunch of over-privileged western tourists with too much time and money on their hands who want to take pictures on them so they can post them on facebook and boast about how wordly and envirmnetally-concious they are.

99/100ths of the human population doesn't give a crap about looking at rhinos, including me.
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So anything that you don't find useful or pleasurable has no right to exist? To be honest kwerk, I don't find you useful or pleasurable...
 
Woden said:
Wait wait ... dogs, cats, rats and monkeys* are endangered? When did this happen? Why wasn't I informed? There's like 6 cats on my street RIGHT NOW. Someone get me a damn rifle quick, they need protecting!

Seriously though, I don't turn a blind eye to scientific experimentation of animals, in-fact I support it whole heartedly. I am assuming you are against it ... are you going to volunteer to replace guinnie pigs and down some untested pills? Or maybe boycott pretty much all medication in existance and never receive blood?

*The three species of monkey used in medical experiments are in no way endangered.
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Well said.

This is pretty tragic really, if I win the jackpot on the euromillions I will take up hunting poachers.
 
Yey humanity!

Oh and for those supporting animal testing on common animals. There's more humans than their are any species of monkey...just sayin'
 
Woden said:
So anything that you don't find useful or pleasurable has no right to exist?
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He never said that, it's just that he isn't bothered if they do become extinct and he doesn't see the point of spending vast amounts of money on preservation when there's more worthy causes closer to home.
 
kwerk said:
Why would I want to? Whose lives are improved by rhinos existing? A bunch of over-privileged western tourists with too much time and money on their hands who want to take pictures on them so they can post them on facebook and boast about how wordly and envirmnetally-concious they are.

99/100ths of the human population doesn't give a crap about looking at rhinos, including me.
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And when did the human population rise above every other animal/lifeform on this planet?

Unfortunately it's people like you that are the root cause of many of the problems of today! :(

Humans aren't the only thing that matter, Rhinos are part of a complex ecosystem that is being destroyed at an ever increasing pace. Rhinos shouldn't suffer because humans have reached plague like proportions on this planet.
 
Dimple said:
He never said that, it's just that he isn't bothered if they do become extinct and he doesn't see the point of spending vast amounts of money on preservation when there's more worthy causes closer to home.
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Like what? Helping another human, to add to the 7 billion on this planet already, survive another couple of years, or live somewhere slightly nicer?
 
Once they run out of rhinos/elephants they'd move onto something else for it's 'magical properties' - I wonder if mundane African wildlife would then become suddenly worth lots of money then as the numbers became more scarce.

Reminds me of reading the novelisation of The Fifth Element when I was a kid, and Zorg having a desk made out of the last oak tree on Earth.
 
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