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Not sure if srs...
I might be blind or have missed something but it doesn't seem that different if at all.
*** Official Nintendo Wii U thread ***
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Not sure if srs...
I might be blind or have missed something but it doesn't seem that different if at all.
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I skimmed read it the first time as it's as you made it out to be end of the world stuff not a just a couple of points of which one could be easily patched out. You make it out as if it's being crippled when it's simply dropping a couple of FPS for a second.
You didn't mention the bigger issue with the PC that despite being able to run it at a much higher resolution rate that it drops down to 10-15fps on loading sections which the others do not. Seems an alright port to me. We have seen much bigger games have worse ports on bigger consoles.
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3.0.1 recent update has fixed my Netflix. 
It used to time out showing a black screen only following the patch.
It used to time out showing a black screen only following the patch.
Looks like a cross between Mario Galaxy (ridiculously good games) and the old style Sonic games. Don't know if we should be excited or not - Sega haven't exactly covered themselves in glory where 3D sonic is concerned. The DS game I have was excellent though, so we'll see.
Seems like a cross between Sonic Colours and Sonic 06 to me. Loved Sonic Colours but Sonic 06 had too many bugs so I never completed it and long loading times killed the game.
It could well be a factor. Consider also Microsoft and Sony's move to x86 and the significant difference in power between those systems and the Wii U. Potentially, the cost of porting games from the XBO/PS4/PC to the Wii U is disproportionately high given the relatively small install base. Is it worth it? The answer is likely going to be 'not always' for most publishers.
Personally, I think Nintendo need to take stock of their assets and review their place in the games industry. The Wii U isn't the right answer. Nintendo still has its fans, legions of them. However, many of those potential customers aren't interested in a Nintendo console that costs £250, especially with such a dearth of high-profile Nintendo games available. Ditch the expensive controller, halve the price of the unit and invest money in getting more Nintendo IPs to the platform, faster. Then they might well be on to a winner. If it's cheap enough to accompany an XBO or PS4, third party support isn't going to bother customers.
Personally, I think Nintendo should ditch their current strategy.
They should have gone next gen hardware.
They can still innovate, with motion and tablet controllers. I still say they need to keep up with competitors. They would have their great IPs for exclusives and also people who follow brand loyalty.
At the moment, Nintendo are falling into a niche market. The gaming industry needs Nintendo now, just like in the great 80s games crash!
They should have gone next gen hardware.
They can still innovate, with motion and tablet controllers. I still say they need to keep up with competitors. They would have their great IPs for exclusives and also people who follow brand loyalty.
At the moment, Nintendo are falling into a niche market. The gaming industry needs Nintendo now, just like in the great 80s games crash!
All of the above is rubbish.
You wait until the price of these consoles are announced.
I think the Wii U as serious potential so flip the whole scenario on its head post e3.
I seriously can see the Xbox1 and PS4 costing £500 a piece.
You are right, the gaming industry is about to get what it needs.
Games
Games from Nintendo
Ones that arent the same old thing.
Just think about what the effect of sales of the Wii U is going to be when all of the below happens at Direct/E3
I think we can all assume to a reasonable degree the below will happen
Zelda WWU Playable, Likely pre Chrismas release announced
Mario Kart WiiU footage / Playable Pre christmas launch
Mario 3d Video footage/reveal
Footage of other new Zelda game with multiplayer
Zombi u 2 annouced/Footage
At least one of the below (Nintendo have already mentioned how they are looking to revive games with help from other companies)
I'm thinking, along these lines
F Zero
Metroid
Warioware
All of the above is pretty much a given, I know a lot of people are about to buy a Wii U but are waiting for something big, If the above happens and the price of the xbox / ps4 is about 450+ then the Wii U will start selling like hot cakes, EA will be forced to reconsider their stance and likely more games will be developed for it.
I also think its safe to assume a price drop too.
You wait until the price of these consoles are announced.
I think the Wii U as serious potential so flip the whole scenario on its head post e3.
I seriously can see the Xbox1 and PS4 costing £500 a piece.
You are right, the gaming industry is about to get what it needs.
Games
Games from Nintendo
Ones that arent the same old thing.
Just think about what the effect of sales of the Wii U is going to be when all of the below happens at Direct/E3
I think we can all assume to a reasonable degree the below will happen
Zelda WWU Playable, Likely pre Chrismas release announced
Mario Kart WiiU footage / Playable Pre christmas launch
Mario 3d Video footage/reveal
Footage of other new Zelda game with multiplayer
Zombi u 2 annouced/Footage
At least one of the below (Nintendo have already mentioned how they are looking to revive games with help from other companies)
I'm thinking, along these lines
F Zero
Metroid
Warioware
All of the above is pretty much a given, I know a lot of people are about to buy a Wii U but are waiting for something big, If the above happens and the price of the xbox / ps4 is about 450+ then the Wii U will start selling like hot cakes, EA will be forced to reconsider their stance and likely more games will be developed for it.
I also think its safe to assume a price drop too.
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The Gamecube had pretty much every game you listed and also had a massive pricedrop and it still sold well under Nintendo's estimates, there's no guarantee that those games are going to affect sales in any big way.
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The new consoles WILL NOT be £500, the previous ones launched both in a better financial climate and with significantly more expensive hardware. THe 360 wasn't close to £500 to start with, the PS3 was, with a £300+ bluray player on board, the same drives that now cost £30.
R&D for the PS3 chip, and the AMD gpu's in both consoles and to a degree the power PC chip in the 360 would all be significantly more work and more expensive than the current gen. Taking chips that aren't made to work with each other, changing the architecture putting new busses on, modifying for unified mem(in the 360's case) is WAY more expensive than Jaguar/APU and changing them to a far far smaller degree using pieces that have effectively been used before with the main R&D cost for those being paid by AMD for a chip they had already designed.
Either way, currently 360/ps3 sales are individually 3-5 times higher than Wii U sales, a "dead" platform almost is massively outselling a brand new one.
People bought Wii's because they were cheap and everyone had the idea of Star wars and fake lightsabre's and how awesome it would be to play with interactive style controls, they there was Harry Potter, the fad of hoping for realistic Star Wars fighting was long gone. When people HAD a Wii, they bought the few key titles that came out for it, when people don't have a Wii U, they AREN'T going to buy the console just for a few titles.
Thats the Wii U's problem, people will buy a 360 for Halo 3, or 4, but because they also know there will be a dozens of other titles out every year and at least a few of them will likely appeal to the buyer, if not many, and they know they'll be getting the best version of that game. Very very few people buy a £200-500 console for one game alone, or just 4-5 that will only get new(and rehashed) versions every 2-3 years, while any multiplatform release games that do appear on the Wii U, will be significantly inferior versions.
Wii U is in trouble because Wii promised a lot and delivered very little, the massive majority of people I know who got caught in the hype bought it, had Wii Sports, a couple other games, were completely disappointed, bought the odd thoroughly "Nintendo" type title, a Mario or Zelda game here or there, but won't be caught in the trap of buying a Wii again.
You think EA and a whole host of other developers didn't run a few survey's asking who planned to buy a Wii U and saw an overwhelmingly negative response.
AS for E3 making a difference, it really really won't. The massive queues to see anything PS4 or X1, will see the 5 Nintendo games all but forgotten. For any "brand new" title at E3, they'll look a joke compared to the bits shown of the new consoles new games and as such if you say asked people leaving E3 which games there were looking forward to most for the end of the year, you can be damn sure most won't be talking about ANOTHER Mario Kart with crap graphics.
If Nintendo was showcasing 5-10 big Nintendo titles in a year where the PS4/X1 weren't launching they might get some play, but this year, lol, the worst time to be showing off your big 5 titles for a new console to promote sales, is when everyone is clamouring to find out anything about the brand new, MASSIVELY more powerful consoles showing clips, maybe gameplay, (maybe consoles to try?... too early?) that blow the Wii U away. This E3, more than at any time since the original Wii's launch, will show BY FAR the biggest difference in console power, which is the worst possible thing for a Wii U which is badly struggling for sales already.
R&D for the PS3 chip, and the AMD gpu's in both consoles and to a degree the power PC chip in the 360 would all be significantly more work and more expensive than the current gen. Taking chips that aren't made to work with each other, changing the architecture putting new busses on, modifying for unified mem(in the 360's case) is WAY more expensive than Jaguar/APU and changing them to a far far smaller degree using pieces that have effectively been used before with the main R&D cost for those being paid by AMD for a chip they had already designed.
Either way, currently 360/ps3 sales are individually 3-5 times higher than Wii U sales, a "dead" platform almost is massively outselling a brand new one.
People bought Wii's because they were cheap and everyone had the idea of Star wars and fake lightsabre's and how awesome it would be to play with interactive style controls, they there was Harry Potter, the fad of hoping for realistic Star Wars fighting was long gone. When people HAD a Wii, they bought the few key titles that came out for it, when people don't have a Wii U, they AREN'T going to buy the console just for a few titles.
Thats the Wii U's problem, people will buy a 360 for Halo 3, or 4, but because they also know there will be a dozens of other titles out every year and at least a few of them will likely appeal to the buyer, if not many, and they know they'll be getting the best version of that game. Very very few people buy a £200-500 console for one game alone, or just 4-5 that will only get new(and rehashed) versions every 2-3 years, while any multiplatform release games that do appear on the Wii U, will be significantly inferior versions.
Wii U is in trouble because Wii promised a lot and delivered very little, the massive majority of people I know who got caught in the hype bought it, had Wii Sports, a couple other games, were completely disappointed, bought the odd thoroughly "Nintendo" type title, a Mario or Zelda game here or there, but won't be caught in the trap of buying a Wii again.
You think EA and a whole host of other developers didn't run a few survey's asking who planned to buy a Wii U and saw an overwhelmingly negative response.
AS for E3 making a difference, it really really won't. The massive queues to see anything PS4 or X1, will see the 5 Nintendo games all but forgotten. For any "brand new" title at E3, they'll look a joke compared to the bits shown of the new consoles new games and as such if you say asked people leaving E3 which games there were looking forward to most for the end of the year, you can be damn sure most won't be talking about ANOTHER Mario Kart with crap graphics.
If Nintendo was showcasing 5-10 big Nintendo titles in a year where the PS4/X1 weren't launching they might get some play, but this year, lol, the worst time to be showing off your big 5 titles for a new console to promote sales, is when everyone is clamouring to find out anything about the brand new, MASSIVELY more powerful consoles showing clips, maybe gameplay, (maybe consoles to try?... too early?) that blow the Wii U away. This E3, more than at any time since the original Wii's launch, will show BY FAR the biggest difference in console power, which is the worst possible thing for a Wii U which is badly struggling for sales already.
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It's obvious that a lot of the Nintendo games sold so well on the Wii due to the user base being so large and not because they were system sellers. Look at New Super Mario Bros Wii, it's sold over 14 million copies, which Nintendo obviously thought they would repeat with NSMB U and well that's not going to happen.
Same for Mario Kart on the Wii, it sold over 32 million copies, but I doubt very much that a lot of people bought the Wii just for Mario Kart, the main system seller for the Wii was Wii Sports, the Wii U has nothing of that calibre.
Same for Mario Kart on the Wii, it sold over 32 million copies, but I doubt very much that a lot of people bought the Wii just for Mario Kart, the main system seller for the Wii was Wii Sports, the Wii U has nothing of that calibre.
How is it rubbish?
The Wii U has been out 6 months and is being out sold by the Vita. Developers are abandoning it atm. Even 1st party isnt so strong. With the 2 big competitors about to launch in the holiday season. Thats the facts.
They should have beefed up their hardware and took on the other 2. They have the trump cards, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon etc.
Your just pinning your hopes on a good E3, which Nintendo are not putting on a big front.
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The new consoles wont be that expensive, however i still think by the end of this year the wii u will be in a far better position. As elliot said, the industry needs the coming games from nintendo and its needs them to be fresh and new.
The game industry is in danger of becoming incredibly stale. Despite the promise of other games, a key feature of the xbox one reveal was COD ghosts....and to me that's a huge warning sign of where things are going. Granted there may be better more exciting games to come yet, but when your key software feature is a multi-platform release that's seen more iterations over 6 years than almost any other franchise then its clear there's something amiss in the "innovation" department.
Its certainly a challenging path ahead, but i really hope that nintendo can impress us this time next week.
The WiiU has sold poorly because there's no reason to buy one. It launched with a load of games that are available on other platforms (for less money). It is now at a price point where it will sell if enough decent unique games come out for it.
I am interested to see how the new Xbox and PS4 do as I think they could struggle. I think they will have the same problem as Wii U initially in that the majority of the launch games will be available on PS3/360 and at the mooted price point they wont have enough new stuff to convince the public.
I am interested to see how the new Xbox and PS4 do as I think they could struggle. I think they will have the same problem as Wii U initially in that the majority of the launch games will be available on PS3/360 and at the mooted price point they wont have enough new stuff to convince the public.
A price reduction is likely by the end of the year. Don't forget though that even at the current price they are selling at a loss. They need people buying games to make that money back. I cannot believe there are little or no first party games out for it yet. This has all been very poorly planned by Nintendo.