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From all the previous "leaked" info about they already had things like free cam and battlerecorder working in pre bf3 alpha just sum's up that some EA CEO said, hang on lets save that stuff for the next game!
Dont trust EA, DICE i believe can do everything we've asked for! No matter how you look at it, this is just like what happened with COD, people will still buy, i'l still buy, we're all sheep!
And the only thing i'l be looking for in E3 is Dayz release date
To be fair though how different can it be from BF3, especially given the time frame its coming out in? They might (and I stress might) have taken some suggestions on-board from the comments about BF3 but I think dice have proven they're pretty stubborn on things that the community are literally baying for and Dice just can't be bothered to implement.
I'm on the fence till the "beta" (buggy mp demo) arrives but really at the minute I just see this game as BF 3.25 at best.
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To be fair... They have changed the colour of reload UI and added an extra layer on the map...
BF3 v3.30 i'd say!
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[TFU] Thegoon84;24425588 said:
Totally agree. How many times have you got in a cobra in bf2 with joe random and worked like swiss clock? How many times have you got in a cobra in bf3 and worked swiss clock? 1st awnser is many, 2nd answer is none. And its all down to squad voip.
in game voip has been neglected for too long in pc games. so now any organised groups will be using TS or similar, and generally that's not very compatible with voip.
you have to choose one or the other and usually that means TS (for me anyway)
i've had a taste of in game voip recently with Grid2 and it's 'on by default' nonsense.
causes horrific echoes with my mates on TS and all i hear from randoms is heavy breathing, screaming in foreign languages or their in games sounds being played back to me. gets muted asap everytime
you have to choose one or the other and usually that means TS (for me anyway)
i've had a taste of in game voip recently with Grid2 and it's 'on by default' nonsense.
causes horrific echoes with my mates on TS and all i hear from randoms is heavy breathing, screaming in foreign languages or their in games sounds being played back to me. gets muted asap everytime
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Is the E3 stream for this at 9pm tonight?
Also, when is BF4 scheduled for release? I still haven't bought premium for BF3... might just wait now
End of October, and don't know about the E3 stream.
Play a little Planetside 2 to see how useful in game VOIP is when grouping with large numbers of random players and getting some teamwork going. It's better to have it available and be able to turn it off than not have it at all. And DG, when you talk about older players and back in the day people using voip, is Borderlands 2 or Planetside 2 or numerous other current games back in the day? Also when you talk of older players, I am assuming people over 14 years old or something as Battlefield 2 was not exactly back in the day.
Also, I do have a vent server that me and mates play on for BF3 and other games.. the same mates I met when playing BF2 using in game voip.
Also, I do have a vent server that me and mates play on for BF3 and other games.. the same mates I met when playing BF2 using in game voip.
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Dg, was no voip in bf3 your call?
The EA event starts at 2100, but I suspect they will show their crappier titles first.
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This is why I won't even be touching the game, DICE and EA can go **** themselves!
Game released-
Issue: mav riding, usasfrags can take down helicopters, huge weapon imbalance, amtrack and other vehicles not being damaged by c4, bullet drop on various weapons not working properly, terahn highway tdm insanely linear, like metro linear, various maps have glitch spots, entire tray of graphical and visual bugs and many other issues.
Response: Soon(tm).
Time to fix, USAS went through nerfs over and over, b2k came out with weapon rebalance, bullet drop on some weapons such as L96 not fixed until 1.04, mav lifting was officially the last issue fixed in 1.04. patch, even then it is still possible
. [youtube.com] Took over 5 months to address these issues. Various other weapon glitches, (QBU-88 when bipodded for example) still persist.
Still possible to glitch into metro/damavand roof, scope stutter (
) [youtube.com] unfixed. People still being shot around corners and so on (
). [youtube.com]
M26 Dart glitch.
Issue: Players able to mount heavy barrels on under-slung weapons boost shotgun damage to over 5 times it's previous strength, damage drop off for it reduced, gun becomes a bigger problem to bf3 than all the hacks combined.
[youtube.com]
Servers unable to remove weapon from being used as it infringes on TOS rule #2 of ranked servers (https://help.ea.com/article/bf3-rules-of-conduct) [help.ea.com] "Preventing players from using certain weapons or items (such as flash bangs or C4) or enforcing a "pistol only" or "knife only" server rule".
Response: "We are aware of this issue"
Time to fix: 3 months
Heatseakers not working.
Issue: Jets/helicopters/mav's are only able to be defeated with cannonfire and soflam/javelin.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7RO7KBZOM
Response:Soon(Tm)
Time to fix:Over 3 weeks, possibly up to a month, ecm was buggy after that and missiles still break occasionally, not that they didn't before.
AUGA3Smoke/buck glitch.
Issue: AUG A3 smoke fired at ridicules speeds, with almost no bullet drop, once again servers cannot disable it due to TOS violation. Players could hit people halfway across the map with smoke.
[youtube.com]
Buck glitch, buckshot comes out at hilarious angles allowing players to fire over walls
[youtube.com]
Response:Took a month or so to fix smoke glitch, buckshot glitch still persists. Also more "soon(tm)"
[youtube.com]
Various other gameplay breaking glitches
Several months, soon(Tm) etc.
Knife breaking
Issue:Only one knife animation can occur once at any time on one server
[youtube.com]
Response:We are working on it/soon/etc
Time to fix:Pending
Periscope glitch
Issue:People can shoot over walls when hidden behind them, effectively letting them shoot through walls.
[youtube.com]
Response:Nothing
Time to fix:Pending
File crack
Warning: Do NOT use 3rd party software it violates TOS I do not endorse any hackers or hacking ever.
Issue: Some guy manages to crack some unimportant files to remove a colour filter that must have the community despised and it turns out removing it boosts people's FPS. In addition people could see behind them in jets, better emulating bf2 styled gameplay.
[youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJPrHSCSRvU [youtube.com]
It also let people remove the sun.
Oh and there is no sun in bf3, look at it with an infra-red scope, it's not there lol.
Also you could modify damage and other values, however people modified the game to look better and play like bf2, meaning people would rather better colours and bf2 styled gameplay over hacks and damage cheats.
ResponseICE actively shout down and harshly abuse the community, threads locked and deleted, people banned over and over and over. Constant barrages from BF3 dev's twitter about how he thinks the game looks good and not generic with a "cold" (blue=cold) filter and without consulting anyone but himself he refused to respond further, DICE don't even run a poll about this, which they could as they have a polling tool at the bottom of this page
Time to fix: <1 week, fastest patch ever.
Now, in-between all this, the lies about the game being PC first and constant stretching of truth, the unfulfilled promises made to us, which I'll just mention a few...
After saying they'd work for the PC audience they then switched mid development
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...latform-switched-to-consoles-mid-development/ [computerandvideogames.com]
"Battlefield 3 Premium and the game's Close Quarters DLC launch today on PS3, and on June 12 on Xbox 360 and PS3. Non-Premium players get Close Quarters PS3 access on June 19, and Xbox 360 and PC access on June 26."
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...se-quarters-dlc-on-ps3-full-product-details/# [computerandvideogames.com]
They promised all future DLC was to be free
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/241306/dice-well-never-charge-for-battlefield-maps/ [computerandvideogames.com]
Followed by Batch saying we'd be mad if it were free?
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/battlefield-3/1195148p1.html [pc.gamespy.com] "We actually got a lot of flack for giving away free maps. I know it sounds weird, but people got really upset with us. People said: 'if you're giving it away, why couldn't you give it away earlier?' There were a lot of complaints." <--This is a lie he doesn't mention who said this or provide any proof whatsoever to back his claim up
http://bf3blog.com/2011/09/dice-battlefield-gamers-suspicous-over-free-dlc/ [bf3blog.com]
The patch was coming in February?
http://www.enterbf3.com/news/708-list-of-expected-battlefield-3-issues-to-be-fixed-february/ [enterbf3.com]
It came months later and broke AA missiles, the patch to fix AA missiles brought a bug so bad it did more damage to the game than all the hackers combined--> http://www.mpgh.net/forum/174-battlefield-3-bf3-hacks/445411-m26-dart-bug.html [mpgh.net]
Patrick Bach called us whiners?
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...console-ports-not-how-we-do-things-says-dice/ [computerandvideogames.com]
("Studio committed to PC audience because it's the one complaining" Not like they did, PC players have gotten virtually nothing)
Thanks patrick, if it were not for PC players buying BF2 and BF1942 and BF2142 there wouldn't be a DICE, but nice of you to complain about the group of people (PC players) who supported you from the start.
"We know that we won't hit 100% at launch. We won't be able to say "It's perfect."Better to release it than to wait another year. Release it, and make sure we follow up on it. ""
-October 11, 2011
--"Nailed it" statement - January 3, 2012
"True successor to BF2." http://www.msxbox-world.com/news/ar...aims-team-play-not-essential-in-multipla.html [msxbox-world.com]
DICE made destruction lesser than it was in BF:BC2 to fit consoles.
http://mp1st.com/2011/11/16/bf3-dic...javelin-soflam-and-ps3-aiming-bug-on-the-way/ [mp1st.com]
http://www.gamersbook.com/scene/news/destruction-of-battlefield-3-is-getting-nerfed/ [gamersbook.com]
They promised proper terrain destruction from beta to arrive in retail
Beta destruction-->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiaAIyKA4TQ [youtube.com]
ALPHA VS BETA Terrain destruction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDza8ODNf0k&feature=plcp [youtube.com]
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/3106/article/battlefield-3-beta-server-update-details-revealed/ [gameranx.com]
"Terrain destruction disabled, because it causes problems with people crawling around under the map. We have a proper fix for this in the retail game, but chose to simply disable it"
They never added terrain destruction back, it is now noticeably less than alpha.
Issue: mav riding, usasfrags can take down helicopters, huge weapon imbalance, amtrack and other vehicles not being damaged by c4, bullet drop on various weapons not working properly, terahn highway tdm insanely linear, like metro linear, various maps have glitch spots, entire tray of graphical and visual bugs and many other issues.
Response: Soon(tm).
Time to fix, USAS went through nerfs over and over, b2k came out with weapon rebalance, bullet drop on some weapons such as L96 not fixed until 1.04, mav lifting was officially the last issue fixed in 1.04. patch, even then it is still possible
Still possible to glitch into metro/damavand roof, scope stutter (
M26 Dart glitch.
Issue: Players able to mount heavy barrels on under-slung weapons boost shotgun damage to over 5 times it's previous strength, damage drop off for it reduced, gun becomes a bigger problem to bf3 than all the hacks combined.
Servers unable to remove weapon from being used as it infringes on TOS rule #2 of ranked servers (https://help.ea.com/article/bf3-rules-of-conduct) [help.ea.com] "Preventing players from using certain weapons or items (such as flash bangs or C4) or enforcing a "pistol only" or "knife only" server rule".
Response: "We are aware of this issue"
Time to fix: 3 months
Heatseakers not working.
Issue: Jets/helicopters/mav's are only able to be defeated with cannonfire and soflam/javelin.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7RO7KBZOM
Response:Soon(Tm)
Time to fix:Over 3 weeks, possibly up to a month, ecm was buggy after that and missiles still break occasionally, not that they didn't before.
AUGA3Smoke/buck glitch.
Issue: AUG A3 smoke fired at ridicules speeds, with almost no bullet drop, once again servers cannot disable it due to TOS violation. Players could hit people halfway across the map with smoke.
Buck glitch, buckshot comes out at hilarious angles allowing players to fire over walls
Response:Took a month or so to fix smoke glitch, buckshot glitch still persists. Also more "soon(tm)"
Various other gameplay breaking glitches
Several months, soon(Tm) etc.
Knife breaking
Issue:Only one knife animation can occur once at any time on one server
Response:We are working on it/soon/etc
Time to fix:Pending
Periscope glitch
Issue:People can shoot over walls when hidden behind them, effectively letting them shoot through walls.
Response:Nothing
Time to fix:Pending
File crack
Warning: Do NOT use 3rd party software it violates TOS I do not endorse any hackers or hacking ever.
Issue: Some guy manages to crack some unimportant files to remove a colour filter that must have the community despised and it turns out removing it boosts people's FPS. In addition people could see behind them in jets, better emulating bf2 styled gameplay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJPrHSCSRvU [youtube.com]
It also let people remove the sun.
Oh and there is no sun in bf3, look at it with an infra-red scope, it's not there lol.
Also you could modify damage and other values, however people modified the game to look better and play like bf2, meaning people would rather better colours and bf2 styled gameplay over hacks and damage cheats.
Response
ICE actively shout down and harshly abuse the community, threads locked and deleted, people banned over and over and over. Constant barrages from BF3 dev's twitter about how he thinks the game looks good and not generic with a "cold" (blue=cold) filter and without consulting anyone but himself he refused to respond further, DICE don't even run a poll about this, which they could as they have a polling tool at the bottom of this page Time to fix: <1 week, fastest patch ever.
Now, in-between all this, the lies about the game being PC first and constant stretching of truth, the unfulfilled promises made to us, which I'll just mention a few...
After saying they'd work for the PC audience they then switched mid development
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...latform-switched-to-consoles-mid-development/ [computerandvideogames.com]
"Battlefield 3 Premium and the game's Close Quarters DLC launch today on PS3, and on June 12 on Xbox 360 and PS3. Non-Premium players get Close Quarters PS3 access on June 19, and Xbox 360 and PC access on June 26."
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...se-quarters-dlc-on-ps3-full-product-details/# [computerandvideogames.com]
They promised all future DLC was to be free
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/241306/dice-well-never-charge-for-battlefield-maps/ [computerandvideogames.com]
Followed by Batch saying we'd be mad if it were free?
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/battlefield-3/1195148p1.html [pc.gamespy.com] "We actually got a lot of flack for giving away free maps. I know it sounds weird, but people got really upset with us. People said: 'if you're giving it away, why couldn't you give it away earlier?' There were a lot of complaints." <--This is a lie he doesn't mention who said this or provide any proof whatsoever to back his claim up
http://bf3blog.com/2011/09/dice-battlefield-gamers-suspicous-over-free-dlc/ [bf3blog.com]
The patch was coming in February?
http://www.enterbf3.com/news/708-list-of-expected-battlefield-3-issues-to-be-fixed-february/ [enterbf3.com]
It came months later and broke AA missiles, the patch to fix AA missiles brought a bug so bad it did more damage to the game than all the hackers combined--> http://www.mpgh.net/forum/174-battlefield-3-bf3-hacks/445411-m26-dart-bug.html [mpgh.net]
Patrick Bach called us whiners?
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...console-ports-not-how-we-do-things-says-dice/ [computerandvideogames.com]
("Studio committed to PC audience because it's the one complaining" Not like they did, PC players have gotten virtually nothing)
Thanks patrick, if it were not for PC players buying BF2 and BF1942 and BF2142 there wouldn't be a DICE, but nice of you to complain about the group of people (PC players) who supported you from the start.
"We know that we won't hit 100% at launch. We won't be able to say "It's perfect."Better to release it than to wait another year. Release it, and make sure we follow up on it. ""
-October 11, 2011
--"Nailed it" statement - January 3, 2012
"True successor to BF2." http://www.msxbox-world.com/news/ar...aims-team-play-not-essential-in-multipla.html [msxbox-world.com]
DICE made destruction lesser than it was in BF:BC2 to fit consoles.
http://mp1st.com/2011/11/16/bf3-dic...javelin-soflam-and-ps3-aiming-bug-on-the-way/ [mp1st.com]
http://www.gamersbook.com/scene/news/destruction-of-battlefield-3-is-getting-nerfed/ [gamersbook.com]
They promised proper terrain destruction from beta to arrive in retail
Beta destruction-->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiaAIyKA4TQ [youtube.com]
ALPHA VS BETA Terrain destruction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDza8ODNf0k&feature=plcp [youtube.com]
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/3106/article/battlefield-3-beta-server-update-details-revealed/ [gameranx.com]
"Terrain destruction disabled, because it causes problems with people crawling around under the map. We have a proper fix for this in the retail game, but chose to simply disable it"
They never added terrain destruction back, it is now noticeably less than alpha.
- land slide wins
- crappy unlock system with far too much crap and too many things
etc.
So don't buy it?
Oh and several of those bugs have been fixed such as knife bug. Would you honestly say that was something that could have been tested? It was picked up after being shown on YouTube and fixed in the next patch.
Patches took a long time as Xbox And PS3 patches are charged for to go through certification and they (understandably) wanted to keep the same development stream running for all versions.
Oh and several of those bugs have been fixed such as knife bug. Would you honestly say that was something that could have been tested? It was picked up after being shown on YouTube and fixed in the next patch.
Patches took a long time as Xbox And PS3 patches are charged for to go through certification and they (understandably) wanted to keep the same development stream running for all versions.
Didn't you read my first sentence????
Unless BF 3.25 beta impresses me a lot, DICE/EA won't be getting a single penny from me. Not going to go and get all excited and pre-order straight away just because of the typical old hype and "OMG amazing trailers"
Yeah some of those probably have been fixed since I last seen that posted 4 months ago (and knowing DICE, they no doubt introduced more bugs than they fixed....), however, the thing is, look at the time frame (and crappy responses) it has taken to fix every bug so far...........and the funny thing is, those are only a very small amount of bugs/glitches listed, there are far more out there:
http://www.youtube.com/user/INDgamers/videos?view=0
Why can't they just release the patches for the PC and let the consoles wait for their "pass" in the certifications? What is the point of having 1 platform suffer/wait for so long when there really is little to no reason for the delay? Is there a certain benefit for them or the PC gamers?
Point is, it has taken them so long to fix bugs/glitches etc. and the game was just a complete mess at release time, they should have waited and done a proper job of fixing bugs etc. I don't expect a game to be completely bug/glitch free, but I expect there to be far less bugs especially since the game has been out for so long and its not like it is some small/unpopular game/company that we are dealing with so they have the manpower and money to do a better job.......
Unless BF 3.25 beta impresses me a lot, DICE/EA won't be getting a single penny from me. Not going to go and get all excited and pre-order straight away just because of the typical old hype and "OMG amazing trailers"
Yeah some of those probably have been fixed since I last seen that posted 4 months ago (and knowing DICE, they no doubt introduced more bugs than they fixed....), however, the thing is, look at the time frame (and crappy responses) it has taken to fix every bug so far...........and the funny thing is, those are only a very small amount of bugs/glitches listed, there are far more out there:
http://www.youtube.com/user/INDgamers/videos?view=0
Why can't they just release the patches for the PC and let the consoles wait for their "pass" in the certifications? What is the point of having 1 platform suffer/wait for so long when there really is little to no reason for the delay? Is there a certain benefit for them or the PC gamers?
Point is, it has taken them so long to fix bugs/glitches etc. and the game was just a complete mess at release time, they should have waited and done a proper job of fixing bugs etc. I don't expect a game to be completely bug/glitch free, but I expect there to be far less bugs especially since the game has been out for so long and its not like it is some small/unpopular game/company that we are dealing with so they have the manpower and money to do a better job.......
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Exclusive might only be a day or a week so wouldn't lose too much sleep about that.
I will probably buy BF4 if online friends do given that's the thing that can make it so enjoyable but its safe to say its BF3.2 and nothing more.
Better chance of community modded Rising Storm leading the way in PC multiplayers.
I will probably buy BF4 if online friends do given that's the thing that can make it so enjoyable but its safe to say its BF3.2 and nothing more.
Better chance of community modded Rising Storm leading the way in PC multiplayers.