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OK guys so I am after some advice….. I know that the depths of GD and it’s regulars may not give me the answers that I am ultimately looking for but it’s worth a go as some of you on here might be able to help.

I was at my parents this weekend with my eldest brother (as we were helping my dad with replacing some old and worn flat roof). My eldest brother has 3 kids, the eldest of which is 14 years old.

He is in secondary school, and I have only recently found out that he has been getting bullied, and from the sounds of it, quite badly. He has been (what he classes as) “beaten up” countless times, and mentally and verbally abused by a particular group of lads.

My brother discussed this with me, and wanted some advice on how to approach the situation, as it’s not as straight forward as most cases of child bullying. We sat him down at the weekend and had a chat with him to understand what has been happening and to give him a bit of moral support and advice.

The long and the short of it; the lad is an emotion wreck. I have not seen him cry since he was in nappies and to see him like this melted my icy cold heart. And I want to make sure the boy gets the help he needs to get things sorted.
I will try not to hit you all with a wall of text, but I will give the information I believe is of any use.

My brother is separated from my nephew’s mother, and has been for about 8+ years. He sees his sons as often as possible but at least twice a week (Always once at the weekends). This means that it has taken a while for this bullying to properly come to light. He has discussed this at length with his Son and is now fully aware of the situation.

The nephew is the eldest of the 3 kids. He is the older brother, and does not have other siblings to look up to, or fall back on for support.

The kids that have been bullying him, both physically and mentally, are within what he “thinks” are his group of mates.

The “main” bully, has put a kid in hospital by breaking his eye socket. All that resulted from this (as punishment) was the bully was suspended for 3 days. – This has done nothing buy scare my nephew ****less.
Whilst he’s not a small lad and he used to be able to stick up for himself, this other one sounds like a right nasty piece of work. So I don’t think the old “smack the bully/break his nose” job is going to get him anywhere but into more trouble.


Now I understand the school systems rather well, and how they work etc. as my misses is a primary school teacher. The main obstacles we can see: the nephew has not raised this as a concern with his teachers or any school staffs, meaning that, like most schools, the staff are blissfully unaware of the situation. In addition to this he is still on and off hanging around with them inside school.

My nephew has made is clear that he doesn’t want parents to get involved with the school, because he thinks will only make things worse, and ultimately probably will.

He has his heart set on changing schools thinking that this will sort things out. However not living in the nicest area means that he will more than likely end up worse off at another school.

We left the conversation after giving him the following advice:
First thing Monday talk to your form tutor or year head and explain what has been happening. This means that legally the school HAVE to do something about it. Even if its monitor the situation moving forward

Stop hanging around with the group and try to make some new friends or concentrate on your school work.

If the bullying persists under the schools watch, then it is time for the “adults” to get involved.

My brother has agreed (from a separate discussion we had after speaking to his son) that he is best of going in to see the school without letting his son know. This will help work things out by making the school aware of the situation.

We have also explained to him that this kind of thing happens to everyone at some point in their life. But I just felt so bad for the kid. When I was at school I was bullied for about a year until I finally stood up for myself and handled things in the “old fashioned way”. However kids these days seem to know no boundaries and seeing as these kids are involved with drugs and gang style mentality at such a young age you can only guess what could happen.

I guess there is not much advice that you can give on the situation but it sure feels good to vent a little.

So GD how would you handle the situation? Have you ever had run in’s with bullies? Have your kids been through similar.

Sorry for the wall of text.
 
Contact the school immediately and start working with them. Let them sort the bullies out. If anything else happens from this point onwards, on or off school property, contact the police.

If the kids are as bad as you've described them, 1) The school is already aware of what their behaviour is like, and may just be waiting for another incident (like your nephew's) to come up to expel them, 2) They probably have problems of their own and not the sort of people you want to engage with in any manner.
 
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A guy in my tutor group was bullied at school for years, but my group of friends "adopted" him and he gained more and more confidence to the point where he wouldn't take it anymore, regardless of the odds. When you have a group of friends with you, a bully is far less likely to even start something anyway, especially if you then defend yourself with your friends at your back.

I think your approach to the situation is sound. Encourage him to make some new friends and try get him involved in after school activities where he has a greater chance of actually doing that. Failing that, get him into some sort of community group so he can make new friends and change schools. (last resort)
 
I really don't know what you could do - I was bullied from primary school through to the end of Secondary and it never got sorted. There (realistically) is little to no evidence good enough to do anything. Reporting it usually makes matters worse for the child due to revenge or further isolation by peers. Even if the teachers could or wanted to do something, usually it gets over ruled and never comes to anything.

Kids are "smart", they won't bully with people watching - even if the school tries to help I doubt it will go anywhere.

As tough as it sounds he either needs to suck it up and ignore it and get on with life, confront them (which doesn't usually work out well) or something more drastic like leaving. This all comes from experience - I went with option 1 and although it was tough, I'm now a better person than them and I grew a thick skin

- GP
 
I don't think the school change is an option at the moment, he is too close to his exams, and the other schools in the area are full.

The after school activities is a good shout. I might ask him to see what clubs etc the offer.

Edit: Gpea! I agree with what you have said about growing a thick skin. I believe its all part and parcel of the growing up process to an extent, but no kid should suffer 2 years of bullying.

I know there are worst things happening in the world and every cloud etc etc. but currently to this 14 year old this is the worst situation imaginable. And as a result I want to support him through this where I can.
 
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Get the school involved, as much as he thinks it might make things worse in the the long run it will make it better that they are aware.

Also make sure that he stop hanging around with the kids, they aren't his friends at all.
 
Yeah, sounds like he needs to find better friends.

It's a bit of a **** situation really, as there isn't that much that can be done.

Really from speaking to friends the best way to avoid bullying is to go-to a better school (far less common than one in a rougher area) - I mean my school had daily fights, people chucking house-bricks into crowds, people getting hospitalised by hitting people in the face with iron bars & a whole load of problems.

I was pretty big for my age & used to do weight training (so got left along mostly) - but still had to smack a few people in the lip during my time when pushed into violence.

I could really sympathise with the smaller & meeker guys who has a real hard time in my school (getting beaten up, items stolen, insulted constantly etc).

It sucks as it's a really important time for a teenager & impacts greatly on the kind of person they grow up to be.

One friend of mine who was bullied ended up moving school & found it much better (got to reinvent himself), not that it's always the best solution but for some (when they simply don't let up over a very long time) seems to work.

One thing you can tell him - is that in a couple years he will be at college & 99% of the idiots will not be there, not to mention the best time (late teens, early adult life) is still to come & not to get too down about it.
 
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Yeah, sounds like he needs to find better friends.

One thing you can tell him - is that in a couple years he will be at college & 99% of the idiots will not be there, not to mention the best time (late teens, early adult life) is still to come & not to get too down about it.

Yeah and from my understanding this is what he has been doing. Putting on a brave face as such.

Again I probably do not know all the details, as kids will never explain fully what is going on. He has even admitted that he doesnt want to hang around with these lot as they are into things he doesnt want anything to do with (drugs etc.)
 
He has been (what he classes as) “beaten up” countless times, and mentally and verbally abused by a particular group of lads.

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The “main” bully, has put a kid in hospital by breaking his eye socket. All that resulted from this (as punishment) was the bully was suspended for 3 days. – This has done nothing buy scare my nephew ****less.
Whilst he’s not a small lad and he used to be able to stick up for himself, this other one sounds like a right nasty piece of work. So I don’t think the old “smack the bully/break his nose” job is going to get him anywhere but into more trouble.

that's unfortunate if its a group... happened to me in junior school (which is a bit different) and it was only one bully... my parents phoned his parents in an attempt to sort it out and by the sounds of it didn't get the response they wanted from them. I believe they contacted the school too and got fobbed off. So my dad instead taught me how to punch... nasty nose bleed and tears on the part of the bully, both of us dragged in to see the head... parents called...

I think with this character though you're right... its one thing to tell a kid to just punch the bully back when they're 11.. and 11 yr old getting a nose bleed is just going to start crying... a teenager who's already seriously harmed another student is a different matter... your brother needs to get the school involved and apply some serious pressure. Kid should be expelled tbh...

Wouldn't do any harm to start sending the nephew to Judo lessons either... tis something that can at least teach basic techniques which are effective fairly quickly... and you're generally seen favorable from a legal pov if the other person is the one throwing punches while you just put them on their back (or head if you're feeling nasty).
 
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I can't see the lad standing up to the bullies so help is required. Your brother should be talking to the school about this situation today. Unless the school is completely useless then something will be done about. I think that you will find that bullying is taken seriously these days.

It sounds like we are past the point of silly bullying and if he thinks that some actual bodily harm may occur then the next port of call should be the police if the school appears to be doing nothing about it.
 
I can't see the lad standing up to the bullies so help is required. Your brother should be talking to the school about this situation today. Unless the school is completely useless then something will be done about. I think that you will find that bullying is taken seriously these days.

It sounds like we are past the point of silly bullying and if he thinks that some actual bodily harm may occur then the next port of call should be the police if the school appears to be doing nothing about it.

And this is the route that we are going down. All be it behind his back, which we feel is a bit sneaky, but hoefuly he will thank us in the long run.
 
If hes already in the group somehow, could he not try to become closer to the bully?

I would'nt want to get closer to someone who busted my eye socket unless it was to shank him (I would never do this but you get my point)

The Bully bust a kids eye socket and only get 3 days of suspension, WTF! The bully will see it as a holiday, hardly any deterrent.
 
I would'nt want to get closer to someone who busted my eye socket unless it was to shank him (I would never do this but you get my point)

The Bully bust a kids eye socket and only get 3 days of suspension, WTF! The bully will see it as a holiday, hardly any deterrent.

The bully broke someone elses eye socket, not the kid in questions.
 
I would'nt want to get closer to someone who busted my eye socket unless it was to shank him (I would never do this but you get my point)

The Bully bust a kids eye socket and only get 3 days of suspension, WTF! The bully will see it as a holiday, hardly any deterrent.

this is the mental bit... school fight or not - if it results in a broken eye socket then why are the other parents not getting the police involved... forget the blatantly incompetent teachers/school who don't have the balls to expel him and get the little **** charged
 
Had this with my lad

Kick off and engage the schools bullying policy - they will have one - ask to see it and then follow it to the letter - reporting every incidence. The bullies will soon realise they are going to be in the pooh if they as much as look at him - it wont improve relations between those kids but it might give him some backup and confidence.

Should the school be a bit weak in enforcing this then YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO MOVE SCHOOL. Seriously forget the trauma of a school move - someone will take him - I believe they have to be able to accept the odd person or two. In the end my lad was the 3rd student to leave the same class from bullying and the school finally got the message after this and expelled the kids. Too late for my lad who now goes to a (lower rated academic school) but is enjoying every minute.
 
I was bullied for duration of secondary school, physically and mentally and it broke me down at the time. Teachers were involved at the time and it improved for a small duration before reverting back every time. I eventually got moved from one half of the year to the other (was split in groups, ABC had one timetable, DEF had another) which helped to some extent but still had issues come break times etc.

Never got fully resolved throughout the entire time and was never as happy as when I finished and left for college. Had a fresh start there where no one knew me and "reinvented myself".

I really do hope your nephew gets it sorted. It really is awful and your so called "friends" stand by watching it happen. You are doing the right thing by talking to the school and taking it further and I wish you and your family all the best in getting it sorted.
 
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