They are and so are the state it's not an either/or thing you know.
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They are and so are the state it's not an either/or thing you know.
Unfortunately from my experience, methods used by teachers and police made it worse and became another reason to be bullied! Standing up for yourself is all well and good but its the ones who cant that are bullied 
'Pulls down balaclava' "We doing this?"
'Pulls down balaclava' "We doing this?"
Are you guys generally serious about thinking the kid will be stabbed. Really?
Llittle white kids dont stab each other much.
Not sure why you assumed white? The bully in question is is from a large Asian family.
While race shouldn't make the situation different, in the area he goes to school, it will.
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pent up aggression. whether that be down to ADHD, bad parents or depression i guess.
some people just need a cat to kick i guess. ive never understood it. much like what makes some people violent after booze, when the majority can handle it and dont get violent.
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From personal experience of being part of a group who bullied someone (have apologized as an adult), telling the teachers wont help. A few of us got called into a special meeting with the head teacher, the boy in question, his parents, our parents etc for a proper sitdown yet it continued pretty much the next day. Teens can be vicious at times. Although there was no physical violence involved.
But again each case is different, and depends on the bullies. They may react differently to being "told off" so is worth a shot. If violence is involved, it may help if the police had a chat with the bully/ies, again depends on his personality.
The only time I've ever seen bullying stop, literally the very next day is, stone dead. (again cant recommend this). There was this lad, a year below us, and a few lads used to bully him and take stuff off him, like cigs etc. Next morning his elder brother came into school, must have been in his late teens or early 20s, his brother pointed out the lads. He literally walked into the center of them, asked "which one of you has a problem" first guy that spoke got smacked bang in the face and he started choking him. There were at least 10 lads there (all 15/16yr olds), but after seeing what was being done to that fella who thought he would be "hard" to speak, no one moved an inch to either jump in to help their friend or answer back to this lads brother. He made his point, don't touch my brother, and left. No one said anything to this lad again.
But again each case is different, and depends on the bullies. They may react differently to being "told off" so is worth a shot. If violence is involved, it may help if the police had a chat with the bully/ies, again depends on his personality.
The only time I've ever seen bullying stop, literally the very next day is, stone dead. (again cant recommend this). There was this lad, a year below us, and a few lads used to bully him and take stuff off him, like cigs etc. Next morning his elder brother came into school, must have been in his late teens or early 20s, his brother pointed out the lads. He literally walked into the center of them, asked "which one of you has a problem" first guy that spoke got smacked bang in the face and he started choking him. There were at least 10 lads there (all 15/16yr olds), but after seeing what was being done to that fella who thought he would be "hard" to speak, no one moved an inch to either jump in to help their friend or answer back to this lads brother. He made his point, don't touch my brother, and left. No one said anything to this lad again.
Like I said - go full retard. Make them believe you will try to ****ing kill them if they do it again.
And be aware this has a high chance of backfiring.
Annoyingly, violence stopped the most annoying "bully" I've had to deal with - but it was more constant attempts to make himself look hard in-front of his group (insulting, chucking stuff, tripping up), as I had a reputation as not being violent & laid back, I assume I was because I was pretty tall, but not violent - easy target for an ego boost for a bully) which backfired with me busting his lip in two & flooring him when he chucked a small stone which hit me in the head (no damage, but it crossed a line).
Didn't get a single person try anything similar in school after that, which isn't a great moral lesson really lol...
Didn't get a single person try anything similar in school after that, which isn't a great moral lesson really lol...
Have to testify to this!
Best mate was picked on in school. Grabbed one of them by the neck, sunk his nails deep in to the skin as he choked him, threatened to rip out his throat. Kid cried. No more bullying by anyone.
Morality vs Reality.
Can talk about good moral lessons till the cows come home. "Be the bigger man", etc. Sounds good but it aint gonna work. Depends entirely on the reason for the bullying. Acting 'ard' versus taking there own issues out on others.
The year below us in school (we were year 11, top year cos the school had no sixth form) was absolutely packed full of complete asshats. All the 'cool' kids from our year that would go out of school for lunch never had any trouble. But our large group that would go up to the picnic benches and go and play football if we were allowed on the field tended to have a lot of confrontations, pretty much entirely caused by them trying to act hard in front of each other. I remember during the winter 1 of them lobbed a snowball + stone at 1 of us so he just walked over to him and smacked him one. For the rest of the year he hid at the back of the group. Later on in the year I snapped when 1 of them jumped on me so I took him down in a headlock, tightly. He backed off after that too.
and if that kid who got smacked in the face and choked had gone and told his, probably violent, family that this early 20s guy came into school and did that....they would also respond with violence and once the original kids brother is in hospital, the original kid gets bulled even harder..and the cycle continues.
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That did not happen, the cycle ended there and then. Could it have ended differently? yes of coarse but for this case it did not.
That would be why theres an 'if' right there at the start
Its funny cos if someone made a thread saying an older kid came into school and smashed my son in the face just for being with a group of lads and answering him, most of GD would be suggesting violent response 
I remember when i first moved to this country and went to school here, started in 6th form and up until then i had never ever been bullied at school in Canada and the school i went to in Canada..i was the only asian kid there.
But i was punched in the face by another asian kid here for looking at him the wrong way, the guy had a rep for being a bit nuts. Anyhow he got suspended once the school found out but what scared him the most was when my dad and my dads youngest brother, who also had a rep for being a bad one went over to his house, waited till he came out and told him very politely that if he ever looked at me in the wrong way or said anything to me...both my dad and my uncle would rip his head off. Poor guy **** his pants and within days of him punching me, was going out his way to be nice to me...funny thing is that hes actually turned out to be one of my best friends now.
Id probably do the same if it was my kid being bullied...id just get my younger brothers to go and sort the little ****s out.
But i was punched in the face by another asian kid here for looking at him the wrong way, the guy had a rep for being a bit nuts. Anyhow he got suspended once the school found out but what scared him the most was when my dad and my dads youngest brother, who also had a rep for being a bad one went over to his house, waited till he came out and told him very politely that if he ever looked at me in the wrong way or said anything to me...both my dad and my uncle would rip his head off. Poor guy **** his pants and within days of him punching me, was going out his way to be nice to me...funny thing is that hes actually turned out to be one of my best friends now.
Id probably do the same if it was my kid being bullied...id just get my younger brothers to go and sort the little ****s out.
If hes being bullied he needs new friends and new confidence.
Telling the school is probably a good idea, but ONLY if the parents are willing to push hard. Schools are pretty useless with this sort of thing, and nothing but a no tolerance stance will work. A very pushy parent is needed for this.
Apart from that, get him involved in other activities. I've seen after school clubs mentioned a few times, personally I say get him involved in clubs and activities away from the school completely. Get him new friends outside of school, it will help build his confidence back.
He also needs to be able to defend himself. I didn't really get bullied school because my parents sent me to learn karate. I got started upon by one of the hard mental types early on in school, but because I knew how to defend myself, I managed to hold my own. I was then more or less left alone for several years until I grew my hair out. Then I relied on upon just going 'full retard' - e.g. one kid went mental at me in D.T. for no aparent reason, and was obviously looking to beat me up, so I swung a saw at his throat, I got left alone after that.
Telling the school is probably a good idea, but ONLY if the parents are willing to push hard. Schools are pretty useless with this sort of thing, and nothing but a no tolerance stance will work. A very pushy parent is needed for this.
Apart from that, get him involved in other activities. I've seen after school clubs mentioned a few times, personally I say get him involved in clubs and activities away from the school completely. Get him new friends outside of school, it will help build his confidence back.
He also needs to be able to defend himself. I didn't really get bullied school because my parents sent me to learn karate. I got started upon by one of the hard mental types early on in school, but because I knew how to defend myself, I managed to hold my own. I was then more or less left alone for several years until I grew my hair out. Then I relied on upon just going 'full retard' - e.g. one kid went mental at me in D.T. for no aparent reason, and was obviously looking to beat me up, so I swung a saw at his throat, I got left alone after that.
my dads mate did this to the group of lads who would pick on my brother because of the people he hung around with (they where pretty weird tbh although all decent lads now
) he confronted them outside the local shops one night and scared the absolute crap out of them.
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That would be why theres an 'if' right there at the start
True could have ended differently, ultimately for the bullied lad that was the end of it.
The problem with that is that you either have to be an extremely good actor or genuinely willing to kill them. Actually, even being an extremely good actor won't necessarily be enough, because they may be willing to kill you.
If you make a threat, you have to be willing and able to follow through.
I've done the "full retard" thing myself twice, bona fide mindless rage. I have no memory of either occasion and I can't say that I recommend it. It worked, but it's not good to come back with a bleeding unconscious person at your feet and not know whether or not you've killed them.
Over-sharing, perhaps, but anyone can snap if pushed enough. We are primates and we share some things with more primitive primates. I didn't fling my poo at them, but maybe I would have done if it was available.