2 Living ETs Working with US Government
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Yeah, I know. My comment was more because of the poster in question and where it might lead
I'd like to know whether I'm an idiot or a barmpot because I'm forming opinions based on evidence.
There are three different things slopped together somewhat:
1) Life of some kind exists elsewhere in the universe.
2) People with at least a comparable level of intelligence to humans exist elsewhere in the universe - this is less likely than 1.
3) Some of them have come to Earth - this is less likely than 2.
We have no evidence of any of those things and we have no proof of the likelihood of any of them happening, so it's premature to say that any of them are obviously true, especially 3.
If I had to bet money on it, I would bet on 1 and 2 being true and 3 not being true, but that would be speculation and not certainty. The only relevant facts we have are that the universe is very big and the chance of intelligent life occuring is something more than zero (because we exist).
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Stop being sensible, BELIEVE!!!!
He's wrong. It's not fact, it's speculation.
We exist..... so its logical that other life exists in the universe. It far more likely that we are not the only life than it is to assume we ARE the only life.
We are only just exploring the laws of physics, we are children learning the first ABC's when it comes to that.
So for anyone to scoff and deny that advanced alien species can and do exist is simply illogical. If fact considering what we now know about the make up of the universe, to flatly say that only we exist as intelligent life is absurd indeed.
If you went back in time 500 years and took a person at random and brought them to a modern city they would assume most of our technology would be magic.... even technology that to us would appear mundane.
So imagine a civilisation perhaps 5000 or 10,000 years in advance of us. Mundane technology based on their advance knowledge of physics would appear to us to be impossible and fanciful.
So logically we can assume two things... we are not the only life in the universe. Anyone who assumes we are the ONLY life in the universe is probably the sort of person who believes in "god"
And we can also say that advanced technology that would allow passage through vast distances in space is also more than possible. Just because we do not currently understand the laws of physics in this field does not automatically make it impossible.
So those two simple facts make it very likely of alien visitation to earth at some point. The only real sticking point is wether it has happened yet, and wether its being kept secret knowingly or not.
As for me... I think its perfectly possible that we have made contact and that for whatever reason the goverments and agencies involved have kept it secret. I could cope with the facts of alien visitation and contact, but I know many people who would freak out and go doo-lally. So I can understand Why it would be kept secret.
As for this guy... he offers no proof so he cannot be taken at his word, the fact he was in the office he was does not automatically make him reliable.
I would like to think that there is a benevolent species out there who will help us when we are ready, but being the pessimist I always am I reckon we are more likely to be wiped out for our water and minerals
We are only just exploring the laws of physics, we are children learning the first ABC's when it comes to that.
So for anyone to scoff and deny that advanced alien species can and do exist is simply illogical. If fact considering what we now know about the make up of the universe, to flatly say that only we exist as intelligent life is absurd indeed.
If you went back in time 500 years and took a person at random and brought them to a modern city they would assume most of our technology would be magic.... even technology that to us would appear mundane.
So imagine a civilisation perhaps 5000 or 10,000 years in advance of us. Mundane technology based on their advance knowledge of physics would appear to us to be impossible and fanciful.
So logically we can assume two things... we are not the only life in the universe. Anyone who assumes we are the ONLY life in the universe is probably the sort of person who believes in "god"
And we can also say that advanced technology that would allow passage through vast distances in space is also more than possible. Just because we do not currently understand the laws of physics in this field does not automatically make it impossible.
So those two simple facts make it very likely of alien visitation to earth at some point. The only real sticking point is wether it has happened yet, and wether its being kept secret knowingly or not.
As for me... I think its perfectly possible that we have made contact and that for whatever reason the goverments and agencies involved have kept it secret. I could cope with the facts of alien visitation and contact, but I know many people who would freak out and go doo-lally. So I can understand Why it would be kept secret.
As for this guy... he offers no proof so he cannot be taken at his word, the fact he was in the office he was does not automatically make him reliable.
I would like to think that there is a benevolent species out there who will help us when we are ready, but being the pessimist I always am I reckon we are more likely to be wiped out for our water and minerals
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The probability of alien life existing is much higher than the probability of it not existing. It's ridiculously high. The universe is littered with ready assembled amino acids and earth like planets.
pretty much the only way for alien life not to exist would be if the space local to our solar system was actually a computer simulation run by future humans and the rest of space didn't really exist. And the humans running the simulation were inside another simulation themselves, and so on and so on like a fractal.
pretty much the only way for alien life not to exist would be if the space local to our solar system was actually a computer simulation run by future humans and the rest of space didn't really exist. And the humans running the simulation were inside another simulation themselves, and so on and so on like a fractal.
Future generations will look back on our current theories of the universe (well they probably won't, hopefully there will be some kind of purge of all the crap on the internet at some point), and they might well collectively facepalm at all the weird ideas we came up with.
Or maybe they'll be more forgiving, and just think 'I'm glad we know all about this now, and aren't totally in the dark like they were, reaching at straws because they couldn't even leave their own galaxy.'
So much of this is just personal preference. You either choose to believe or you don't. Don't believe because there is literally no evidence, at all.
Or do believe because the universe is so vast, that somewhere there must be something... Not really much point in arguing about things we can't hope to actually *know*, however.
Lots of people talk about Beyonce's breasts... and they aren't real either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ob7vObnFUJc#!
Song is awful but has almost 93 million views because they seem to defy your assesment.
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Yeah just think in all the vastness of the universe through a miracle of nature there exists another Kwerk!
I doubt much other intelligent life exists in the universe, because it would require some sort of evolutionary stressor to force adaptations relating to high intelligence. And that would only get them so smart, eventually they would need to use eugenics or even computing to get more intelligent.
For example imagine there was only one continent on Earth and it was completely tropical like central Africa. We would still be living like pre-colonial Africans because there would have been no requirement to develop any further. There would be no technology beyond spears. And if the continent didn't have any plains we would still be apes. The evolutionary environment wouldn't require it.
So for intelligent life on anther planet it needs to have not just the requirements for basic animal life but an environment that would force advanced intelligence to develop. Animals only evolve as far as they need to, then it stops. Look at sharks for example, they basically stopped evolving millions of years ago. 99.9999% of aliens will be the equivalent of sharks on the evolutionary scale.
For example imagine there was only one continent on Earth and it was completely tropical like central Africa. We would still be living like pre-colonial Africans because there would have been no requirement to develop any further. There would be no technology beyond spears. And if the continent didn't have any plains we would still be apes. The evolutionary environment wouldn't require it.
So for intelligent life on anther planet it needs to have not just the requirements for basic animal life but an environment that would force advanced intelligence to develop. Animals only evolve as far as they need to, then it stops. Look at sharks for example, they basically stopped evolving millions of years ago. 99.9999% of aliens will be the equivalent of sharks on the evolutionary scale.
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What you've stated sounds suspiciously like the Goldilocks Principle.
How do you know that?
Bear in mind that by far the most earth-like planet discovered so far is Mars. We all read about "earth-like" planets in the media, but it doesn't mean what many people think it means. It doesn't mean that the planets are very much like Earth at all. It just means that they seem to be solid and not more than a few times as massive as Earth. It doesn't mean that they have an evironment anything like Earth. It doesn't mean that they have adequate shielding against the slew of dangerous things that stars throw out in vast quantities. It doesn't mean that they have enough stability for life to develop (our moon, which is freakishly massive, seems to play a key role in that). It doesn't mean that they don't get pounded to lifelessness by frequent asteroid impacts. It doesn't mean that they have any atmosphere at all, let alone one that anything can live in.
We don't even really know what the requirements for life to exist are, let alone how probable it is for all of them to be met. It's not really possible to make solid claims about the probability of life existing elsewhere. I'd bet a moderate amount of money on it, but it is possible that the probability is so freakishly low that it's only happened on Earth.
Look up at the sky and count the stars (remember some twinkles are galaxies fuill of more stars). Every star probably has at least one planet. All you need for life is a solvent and some chemicals to float around in it. It's a very broad range that will work, just look at the life discovered at the bottom of the ocean. It doesn't even have to be carbon based just look at the sulfur and arsenic based fossils that have been discovered. For microbial life the planet doesn't even need to be close to earth-like.
How many of the 100 billion+ planets have a solvent on them like water? And how many millions of asteroids laden with amino acids will hit them over the millions of years they exist?