"‘Get the bacon sarnies out’ remark cost Heywood IT contractor dream job "

Xordium · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:54

Madamoiselle said:
I think you miss my point. Privilege is what I was getting at

Prejudice is the MO of privilege and I can assure you, I know all about privilege.

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Are you hurfdurf?
Are you hurfdurf in disguise?
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In disguise?

theleg · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:54

UK-AL05 said:
Im telling you this is just case of people with power being funny with people. Thats all.

So you think they took this guy through all the rounds of interviews and accepted him. Got him into a final meeting to sign the contracts etc and THEN they decided, for a giggle, to set him up as a racist and deny him the job?

Now they have to go through the process again and find another candidate.

Why would they do that?

MrMoonX · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:55

Daily Mail clearly posting a half story, with info from one source, a disgruntled ex-employee :rolleyes:

Seems legit

UK-AL05 · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:55

semi-pro waster said:
So just to check - is your position that you should never make allowances for peoples beliefs? Also what do you mean "guests in our house"?

Whether you like it or not the simple fact is that not everyone will look like you or think like you - a bit of tolerance and respect for other people usually isn't a bad idea. Being rude to a potential employer is rarely the smartest move either, maybe by that point it was already too late for him to rescue the situation but we're unlikely to know that. You also seem to be presenting the idea (intentionally or otherwise) that Muslims cannot also be British people who work.

Im a veggy, i don't get offended when people offer me meat. I just explain. Thats all that needed to happen.

Jokester · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:56

UK-AL05 said:
Im pretty sure he already lost the contract. It wasnt like picked up the phone and instantly told them to sod off.

mrbell1984 said:
Do you seriously think a recruitment agency has the right to call someone a racist because they asked to get the bacon sandwiches in on the morning?

RDM said:
At that point he was probably sure he wasn't getting it anyway.

They called to clarify what was said, not to tell him they had changed his mind because he was a racist. He is perfectly open that he lost his rag and told them to sod off.

Mark A · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:56

Wow, that bacon butty in the DM link looks awesome.

UK-AL05 · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:57

bigjohnsonrichard said:
So you think they took this guy through all the rounds of interviews and accepted him. Got him into a final meeting to sign the contracts etc and THEN they decided, for a giggle, to set him up as a racist and deny him the job?

Now they have to go through the process again and find another candidate.

Why would they do that?

as a contractor, its normally one interview and a few emails.

They also had plenty of alternatives.

Rroff · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:58

Why on earth would he insult someone who had just secured him a job?

There is absolutely no way I would apologise to someone who took offense at a completely innocuous and every day remark. If I had accidentally been inconsiderate then its another matter.

Assuming the facts are correct reed are dead in the wrong here and should be apologising to the guy and having words with the recruiter in question.

Deleted member 77746 · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:58

This thread is becoming silly now.

theleg · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:58

UK-AL05 said:
as a contractor, its normally one interview and a few emails.

They also had plenty of alternatives.

Again, why?

UK-AL05 · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:59

Jokester said:
They called to clarify what was said, not to tell him they had changed his mind because he was a racist. He is perfectly open that he lost his rag and told them to sod off.

Telling my side of the story, and then still being forced to apologise, when quite clearly he meant no harm.

At the end of that i would be angry as well.

theleg · 15 Jun 2013 at 18:59

Rroff said:
Why on earth would he insult someone who had just secured him a job?

There is absolutely no way I would apologise to someone who took offense at a completely innocuous and every day remark. If I had accidentally been inconsiderate then its another matter.

Assuming the facts are correct reed are dead in the wrong here and should be apologising to the guy and having words with the recruiter in question.

but you would explain that it was an innocuous and every day remark with no malice intended to the manager who has had a report and has called you to get your take on things..right?

UK-AL05 · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:00

bigjohnsonrichard said:
Again, why?

Who knows? But ive seen people been fired simply because they were not the socialable type.

theleg · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:02

UK-AL05 said:
Telling my side of the story, and then still being forced to apologise, when quite clearly he meant no harm.

At the end of that i would angry as well.

I wouldnt. I would have acted like a mature adult and held a civil conversation with the man. I would not have apologised and I would have arranged to go and speak to them in person to put things straight.

I wouldnt have raged and started insulting the guy.

theleg · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:02

UK-AL05 said:
Who knows? But ive seen people been fired simply because they were not the socialable type.

but he got through the intervew, he got the job.

Rroff · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:03

bigjohnsonrichard said:
but you would explain that it was an innocuous and every day remark with no malice intended to the manager who has had a report and has called you to get your take on things..right?

Yes I'd even talk to the person and tell them no insult was intended, but I'd have no bones about telling him to do one if he persisted on an apology, theres no way I'm apologising about what is normal in my life where its not overtly inconsiderate.

semi-pro waster · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:04

UK-AL05 said:
Im a veggy, i don't get offended when people offer me meat. I just explain. Thats all that needed to happen.

And indeed by the sounds of it all Mr Hunt had to do when called up by the senior manager and say "I didn't realise my remarks could be offensive, I'll be more careful in future". While I'd agree that Ms Sacranie could probably have handled it better and if necessary pointed out that bacon buttys weren't her thing (or just let it lie) I don't think the fault lies with her (or Reed) alone based on the limited information we've got available.

There may be a lot more to the situation and we definitely don't have the full context or tone of the comments but from what we do have no-one seems to be coming out with too much credit.

theleg · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:04

Rroff said:
Yes I'd even talk to the person and tell them no insult was intended, but I'd have no bones about telling him to do one if he persisted on an apology, theres no way I'm apologising about what is normal in my life where its not overtly inconsiderate.

and I think thats what it comes down to, what went on in that phone conversation. its one persons word against the other. although i do wonder what he could have said to drive such a mature and experienced man to such rage.

UK-AL05 · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:04

bigjohnsonrichard said:
I wouldnt. I would have acted like a mature adult and held a civil conversation with the man. I would not have apologised and I would have arranged to go and speak to them in person to put things straight.

I wouldnt have raged and started insulting the guy.

A mature adult would not got offended by comment that was clearly not meant to be offensive.

Both sides are not adults in this situation.

Moothead2 · 15 Jun 2013 at 19:04

bigjohnsonrichard said:
I wouldnt. I would have acted like a mature adult and held a civil conversation with the man. I would not have apologised and I would have arranged to go and speak to them in person to put things straight.

I wouldnt have raged and started insulting the guy.

It sounds like he was being until he couldn't be arsed anymore and told him to sod off after repeatedly being told to admit he was wrong. If the manager is going to be like that on the phone I doubt meeting him in person would make much of a difference.