MS and it's effects

Xordium said:
The symptoms of MS depend on the patient. Some of the symptoms can manifest this way.

Without looking at her MRI and knowing her history I wouldn't be able to say whether it was directly directly caused by sclerosis in a behaviour centre, as an indirect consequence caused by sclerosis, because she is annoyed with life, etc.

Ok I'll edit this as you are getting some really stupid advice in this thread.

You have to think what the mechanism of MS is. Area of the neural network eg spine + brain are systematically attacked at varying intervals causing damage and potential malfunction in that area. There is no real pattern to how it changes people because it really depends on which area is attacked. Eg attack on the optic nerves - sight depletion (this is common but actually indicative of lesser severity), attacking say C5 spine then you may get tingling at the finger tips and shooting sensations down the limbs whenever the neck is moved. So it really depends on where this woman has had the damage does it not? She may for all you know have had her behaviour centres attacked therefore changing her behaviour etc. I am sure you get the picture.

What you need to forget is muppets who say they know people with MS and they don't do this. Great for those people who will have a different pattern because they have been attacked in different areas. Those people may not have to have lived with the life this woman has.

That is not to excuse the behaviour - just give it a frame of reference.

I would say in my experience (which is considerable in this field) that people with MS have in the main significant problems that would manifest as frustrations, mental health issues, anger, factors associated with fatigue in the later stages. However, I have not really met people who I would consider to be complete and utter ***** unless they actively undergoing a "relapse" in which case their behaviour may well be out of their control.
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This is a good post.

bitslice said:
tldr.
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This is another type of post.
 
MS makes people have problems with general motor skills. How people will deal with that varies between individuals.
 
soundood said:
very few exceptions, like Asperger's and autism, but even then, bad behaviour must be attempted to be corrected
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aspergers has pretty much 0 impact on behaviour only social norms for the most part?

autism is a very wide scale the most effected obviously can not help themselves they are the ones you are likely never to see in the street or as a customer though because they require special care.


most other people with autism should be able to functional fairly normally although may struggle in social situations massively and appear rude or ignorant when they can't really help it.

others are really outgoing to the point where it is embarrassing but they do not realise it , they will waffle on about any kind of hobby they are fascinated with , won't think twice about hugging someone they have just met etc.

It's true many people with autism lack empathy which I guess in turn effects what you see as morally right or wrong.

I'm not sure I have any empathy at all towards humans tbh, I've been told the same by me ex wife of 10 years :S and TBH I don't know if I ever really loved her.

because of my lack of empathy I found committing crimes when I was a teenager in with a bad group really easy.

although I still knew it was wrong and broke the law knowing what I was doing I'm sure a lot of people would claim they couldn't help it.

the threat of prison was enough to get me on the straight and narrow, I was probably one arrest from a prison sentence when I was 16

Autism may have allowed me to commit offences without a thought in the world for the harm or damage I was causing to others , you could say I am unaware of the impacts my actions had on other peoples lives and maybe if I was not autistic it would never have happened.

but at the end of the day I knew it was wrong and I knew I shouldn't have been doing those things.
 
Participant said:
What was the nature of her complaint? Maybe your training wasn't as good as you thought and you were being extremely inflexible and frustrating to deal with?

:p

Or, she was simply a grumpy biznitch.
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She wanted a term extension to reduce her monthly payments just in case something happened her husbands work as he is self employed.

She could not understand why I needed to obtain her income and expenditure details to consider this and point blank refused to seek financial advice. The term extension she was after would have put her well over retirement age and she has no pension!

When I asked how she was intending to maintain payments upon retirement she went mental. Very abrupt with me despite me trying to help her :(
 
Philtor said:
When I asked how she was intending to maintain payments upon retirement she went mental. Very abrupt with me despite me trying to help her :(
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So she has a disease process that will cause more problems as she gets older, potentially limit her lifespan, cause a great deal of insecurity about how she will cope as she gets older, is woefully unsupported by the NHS and Social Care, unsupported by the law of the land for the control of personal destiny and choice ... and you speak to her about a subject that will have a bearing on all those fears and problems.

Doesn't make it excusable but kind of understandable.
 
arknor said:
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It may not have an effect on your behaviour and how you are but it does to others.

I do wonder whether your really understand your condition when on one hand you say quite rightly it is a spectrum disorder then on the other hand attribute your personal experience as the truth. Maybe it's the lack of empathy ...
 
Xordium said:
It may not have an effect on your behaviour and how you are but it does to others.

I do wonder whether your really understand your condition when on one hand you say quite rightly it is a spectrum disorder then on the other hand attribute your personal experience as the truth. Maybe it's the lack of empathy ...
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it's how a lot of people with autism are that you will meet in day to day life even though you likely won't even realise they are not normal.
anyway I'm sure have tried to argue with me for ages on it before all I can go on is my circumstances and other people I know who are fairly similar to me and have autism to.

hey but what do i know maybe my "personal experience as the truth" is a lie and what I claim are my personal experiences of dealing with autism are a lie.
 
Pestilence said:
I don't believe that it's a side effect of that particular illness.

More likely that she was just a complete **** who likes to use her illness as a weapon and excuse to treat others like the inconsiderate piece of **** she actually is.
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This.

I have MS. Life is full of stress, MS adds to that, but it's still no excuse to be rude another. People will however argue that anyone with an illness can have outbursts of distress and anger - take that as you will.

>> first time I spoke with someone suffering from Multiple sclerosis. I just wondered is this normal

No, and it is no excuse. Take this as experience with the individual, not the condition.
 
exia said:
This.

I have MS. Life is full of stress, MS adds to that, but it's still no excuse to be rude another. People will however argue that anyone with an illness can have outbursts of distress and anger - take that as you will.

>> first time I spoke with someone suffering from Multiple sclerosis. I just wondered is this normal

No, and it is no excuse. Take this as experience with the individual, not the condition.
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Thanks for your input. Clearly she was just an ignorant *****.

I understand ego states and how we all alternate between them every day. I done everything I could to make this customer happy but it seems she just had a big chip on her shoulder.
 
I know nowt about anything medical, but I thought Multiple Sclerosis effects your muscle movement, balance and vision? Not your manners.
 
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It can affect all sorts of things due to it being a disease of the central nervous system, she could have been tortured most of her life by the symptoms so it's possible it could create a quite bitter individual. Most MS sufferers will be unrecognizable from normal people though, you get good eggs and bad eggs.
 
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