Soldato
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So um, did you learn anything technical or was it three years of learning how to wrangle nerds?
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I am wondering why anyone would think an IT job in a school would be simple? The computer network is just as complicated as a business only you have the added problems of children some of whom are still immature and will not think twice about breaking things and/or trying to hack into the network, bypass filters and rules and so on.
I can sort of understand not knowing SCCM or not knowing it by that name but surly Ad/Active Directory is a basic core part of a windows IT network. What type of IT Management did you do?
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My boss jokes that one of his old technicians was so stupid that he feared he would accidentally delete AD (as in the whole thing) one day.
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Just make sure you're familiar with PEBKAC and you'll be sorted 
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lmao.
That's a bit like saying you did a degree in Business Management and never heard of CRM.
But the question is ... can you manage ?
Here are my modules
Year 1
Mathematics 1
Programming 1 (Java )
Computer Hardware
Operating Systems
Networking
Applications & Interpersonal Communications 1
Year 2
Mathematics 2
Database & Visual Programming (Visual Basic)
Network Systems Administration
Training & Support
Multimedia Systems
Project
Year 3
Business Management
Information Systems Engineering
Application Development
Project Management
System Administration
Work Placement/Project
Networking/Wide area Networking
Year 4
Network Systems Management
Strategic Management and Information Systems
Advanced Database Systems
Multimedia Systems and Emerging Technologies
Management Accounting
HRM
Research Project
Industrial Relations
We barely looked at Windows networking, did some in 2nd year. Mostly linux, and as one person said wrangling IT people. Ended up with a lot more business, HR, and strategic management than IT I found.
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Even a smallish school will require all sorts of enterprise technology, certainly things like AD and SCCM would be a core part of the role.
I'm not sure I'd want to be a school IT tech to be honest, from talking to people in that role it's hugely wide from fixing printers to configuring VMware and usually with very few staff.
I'm not sure I'd want to be a school IT tech to be honest, from talking to people in that role it's hugely wide from fixing printers to configuring VMware and usually with very few staff.
So you covered
- Network Systems Admin
- Networking
- Wide Area Networking <<<<< ESPECIALLY THIS WTF?!
- Network Systems Management
- Strategic Management
And not once you covered AD? Dear lord.. What uni? That's one to avoid.
- Network Systems Admin
- Networking
- Wide Area Networking <<<<< ESPECIALLY THIS WTF?!
- Network Systems Management
- Strategic Management
And not once you covered AD? Dear lord.. What uni? That's one to avoid.
Disagree. Uni shouldn't be teaching you specific products. It should be teaching fundamentals and concepts.
Some sort of directory service, whether AD or not, is fundamental to all the the topics dfarrall highlighted.
How else do you manage your users in an enterprise environment, let alone create them? It is fundamental.
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As said it was concepts, and technology, along with mostly linux. Didn't really touch Windows Server.
Also Strategic Management was a business module, related to business management and some supply chain management. It was followed by Information Systems, which focussed on business needs, and information systems such as ERP, the concepts of ERP2, their use, and benefits to the contrived supply/value chain models. Along with how to properly assess, evaluate and research which IS/tech is needed for what roles within a business to either help with competitive parity, or attain a competitive advantage.
Network Systems management in the final year focussed mostly on the perspective of a Manager, how to establish and create guidelines, the fundamentals of security, trough educated people, procedures, and not just relying on software to simply sort things.
Wide area networking was essentially a maths class, calculating IP's, subnets, networks all that by hand.
Systems Administration was purely done in Linux, while networking was pretty basic in first year. It did allow me along with my old man to create cat5 cables, and route them through the walls in the house, with network and phone line drops.
As mentioned, it was far more business, department management in the end. I ended up with Management Accounting being my best subject with a 90% average. :/
Can't say I was too fond of Human Resource Management/ Employee Law , and Industrial Relations.
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You don't get a degree so you can learn to admin AD/GPO. What's with the "IT Guys" on this forum who think the world lives and breaths MS and "Enterprise solutions"? Screw you guys, I'm installing openstack or you know, spending the couple of months or so it'd takes to roll your own.
@OP, I do find it slightly strange that you don't even know what Active Directory is, but I'll happily give you a pass on that since you might be a fellow open source bro, but come on, you seriously didn't think about googling the acronyms before posting?
Oh and just for a kicks, raise of hands who has a degree that taught them AD? Because yours was probably just as pointless.
@OP, I do find it slightly strange that you don't even know what Active Directory is, but I'll happily give you a pass on that since you might be a fellow open source bro, but come on, you seriously didn't think about googling the acronyms before posting?
Oh and just for a kicks, raise of hands who has a degree that taught them AD? Because yours was probably just as pointless.
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Because you spend 4 years of your life there, 5 days a week.
You can cover fundamentals, as well as multiple products within that time.
The fundamentals of WAN are 'it's a network over a wide area'.
Until you actually apply products to it you can't explain how the principles work.
Plus who really want's to hire anyone that has the fundamentals, but has never touched any enterprise software period.
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You don't get a degree so you can learn to admin AD/GPO. What's with the "IT Guys" on this forum who think the world lives and breaths MS and "Enterprise solutions"? Screw you guys, I'm installing openstack or you know, spending the couple of months or so it'd takes to roll your own.
@OP, I do find it slightly strange that you don't even know what Active Directory is, but I'll happily give you a pass on that since you might be a fellow open source bro, but come on, you seriously didn't think about googling the acronyms before posting?
Oh and just for a kicks, raise of hands who has a degree that taught them AD? Because yours was probably just as pointless.
Well, learning AD and GPO is completely better than learning how to crimp Cat5.
But I agree, you do have a point. Apprenticeships are much better if you want to learn about a particular role.
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I must admit I'm slightly suprised he learnt to crimp cat5 at uni, but I imagine the module was actually much about the theory of behind the networking and the cables / limitations thereof, with the actual crimping just being a little exercise. (I crimped a cable in college, I can't remember what I was supposed to have learned, but it wasn't really about crimping the cable, that was 5 minutes at the one of a single class)
We seem to remember the practical stuff better but as he gains more experience, theortical stuff he learned will hopefully serve as a basis, so he hopefully picked up something useful along the way. I'm not sure the standard of IT education in this country is particularly high though, only those willing to learn after school will ever really get anywhere.
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