If you have cars in both the UK and Ireland then (genuine question) what is stopping you simply using the UK car in Ireland?
VED causing cars to be scrapped
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If you have cars in both the UK and Ireland then (genuine question) what is stopping you simply using the UK car in Ireland?
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Customs will drive their car in front of yours, find out you live in Ireland an inpound your car.
Most of Ireland is "small", everyone knows what everyone is doing.
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IMO the UK is actually a bit of a paradise for a car enthusiast. You can register pretty much whatever you like, car tax isn't really that high particularly on older high performance stuff, fantastic variety of roads (admittedly overcrowded in places) and you can get away with flaunting the traffic laws to a far greater extent than in most countries.
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The difference is VED is a fixed cost whereas fuel depends on usage. If you only do 3000 miles a year then the cost of petrol may not put you off buying an old, inefficient car. A big tax bill that is no cheaper at 3000 miles than 30000 miles may do.
Look at other fixed running costs such as insurance. High insurance seems to put some (young/new) drivers off buying certain cars.
That said, I doubt it actually causes that many cars to be scrapped, most likely it just depresses the market for them and whether the value drops low enough to make scrappage a viable option isn't so clear cut.
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High insurance puts young drivers off buying ANY cars
I knew several people in sixth form who were paying 3k per year for insurance on a car worth 1k, that's a pill I wouldn't have been able to swollow
Agreed. You can't have much fun on US roads, even out in the 'fun' roads of NJ. Certainly no country lanes we have here where you can fly past cars without worrying about police cars.
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I disagree - there are numerous fantastic roads in the US which are far from the stereotype of dull, boring, long and straight roads. The trouble is that the USA is very large - so much of it is quite dull - but there are probably more interesting roads to be found in the USA than there are in the UK, given it's huge extra size.
Plenty of fantastic mountain roads to explore. Quite why you'd expect to find twisty and challenging roads in New Jersey though I've no idea
Try living there rather than judging it by a holiday. I got taken to the 'good driving roads' by locals in NJ around Bergan county which are more 'british' in style.
The whole driving attitude with cars generally being vessels of transportation that hoover up the road is apparent in the way the roads are built.
You can't beat the feeling of a windy, rollercoaster road like Wales or Scotland, even around Oxfordshire there are some great roads. I don't really find driving over there anything like here, stupid Jug handles, intersections and having to stop everywhere. I drove from Houston to San Antonio once thinking that would be fun
Either way, my point was really related to being scared of getting caught by the police over there for slightly speeding stopping you having fun. The times here you can normally get away with it if you are polite.
The whole driving attitude with cars generally being vessels of transportation that hoover up the road is apparent in the way the roads are built.
You can't beat the feeling of a windy, rollercoaster road like Wales or Scotland, even around Oxfordshire there are some great roads. I don't really find driving over there anything like here, stupid Jug handles, intersections and having to stop everywhere. I drove from Houston to San Antonio once thinking that would be fun
Either way, my point was really related to being scared of getting caught by the police over there for slightly speeding stopping you having fun. The times here you can normally get away with it if you are polite.
I'm not entirely sure how that helps judge a road
There are plenty such roads out there though! Thats my point.
No, it's like saying the UK has nice roads in Scotland
Where there are mountainous areas, there are windy twisty roads of win. And there are very many mountainous regions in the USA. The West Coast in particular!
[TW]Fox;24516424 said:No, it's like saying the UK has nice roads in Scotland
Where there are mountainous areas, there are windy twisty roads of win. And there are very many mountainous regions in the USA. The West Coast in particular!
Overtaking is socially unacceptable though. Plus motorbikes ride into the back of cyclists out there
I didn't get that memo
It's not exactly socially acceptable here either really, the amount of people who go bonkers when you dare overtake has been the subject of many a thread on here over the years.
I'd quite like two cars and drive the one that is most suitable for the task that day.
Except I can't, as even though I can only drive one car at a time, I still have to insure and tax both of them.
It's also a royal pita when I have to take it to the garage to fix something.
Only poor people are forced into buying non green cars, so it's doubly unfair to tax them off the road.
Except I can't, as even though I can only drive one car at a time, I still have to insure and tax both of them.
It's also a royal pita when I have to take it to the garage to fix something.
Only poor people are forced into buying non green cars, so it's doubly unfair to tax them off the road.
I wasn't talking about efficiency benefits. I did say given equal mpg cars (i.e. petrol cost is fixed) you are not more likely to buy an expensive newer car simply because fuel price has gone up.
Perfect example. If you have higher insurance premiums, because you are younger, are you more likely to buy more expensive cars simply because it makes up a less of a percentage of the car value?
Exactly, and that has nothing to do with how much of a proportion VED makes up of the car value. It's to do with demand for high VED vehicles being low at this end of the market.
But that's like saying, given equal VED band cars, you are not more likely to buy an expensive newer car simply because VED pricing has gone up
In the same way that some might buy an expensive newer car simply because it's more fuel efficient than their current one, some might buy an expensive newer car because it has a lower VED band than their current one.
But that's like saying, given equal VED band cars, you are not more likely to buy an expensive newer car simply because VED pricing has gone up
In the same way that some might buy an expensive newer car simply because it's more fuel efficient than their current one, some might buy an expensive newer car because it has a lower VED band than their current one.
Again, that's not really the argument. A high VED car is likely to have lower demand.
However, someone who owns a high VED car isn't going to scrap a car simply because it makes up a high percentage of the car value.
Someone might want to switch to a low VED car, but that is irrespective of the car value of the car they currently own. They would be just as motivated whether they have a £500 or £5000 car.
Oh, I see. Well fair point, but fuel is spread out over lots of medium-sized payments whereas VED is a big one - plus fuel is seen as 'necessary' while VED is just annoying.
I agree though, I don't think high VED wil make people buy a newer car to keep the cost (percentage of car value) low. What I think it might do is encourage people to buy newer, lower VED banded cars, so artificially lowering the market price of cheaper high VED vehicles.