Africa, again

We know we're not going to get China to change tact, so therefore it won't work. al-Bashir, for example, would still be protected by China, regardless of how wonderful the rest of the World was.
Do you think the US would stop protecting Saudi Arabia if the rest of the world became ethical?.

I'm not saying your wrong, it has too many roadblocks to work at the moment - but China is just one of a long list.

This will be why as a species I firmly believe we will wipe ourselves out.
 
This +1

and the sooner the better. We're making right arse of living on the planet so I reckon we should move to the moon ASAP and the planet recover for a couple of centuries.
To be honest, I just don't think capitalism is conducive to an ethical or remotely sustainable society.

It's promotes excessive material waste, constant externalisations of social problems & the prioritisation profit over human well-being - our world isn't like this by accident, it's an expected side effect of the system most revere.

They protect Israel, even though they're heavily criticised by most for doing so. Even the allies of the US are critical of their protection of Israel. So, yes.

And I'm not saying China's the only reason, just that it's the biggest.
Really, to solve global issues you need a global government with the authority to act in the interests of the entire population (instead of any small sub-set).
 
No doifferent to a lot of big charities, not a fan at all.
So many waste millions on marketing and other activities, the actualy money going to those in need for some big charities is abysmal. There's been many reports on in.
Not only does Africa have many of these charities, but then the money doesn't find it's way there.

I now generally give to smaller charities with specific aims. Unless someone's doing a charity event then I don't scrutinise them so much.

I wish more charities where honest and clearly stated yearly statements on their websites. Total income, and breakdown of where it's gone, along with wages and what goals they've acheived/lapsed on. You won't have total success but I would like to see a far more open policy than many charities have.
 
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I should have been more specific (my bad), I mean - the customers (the people buying the natural resources), when I say west I just mean any receptively wealthy nation (which includes the BRICS).

But I agree, I don't think anybody would do it as it would require better people in power globally than we have.

Which would require better people voting in the people in power.
 
Yes, colonial powers didn't exactly have the native peoples' best interests at heart, but (genuine question), was Africa that great beforehand?
 
Which would require better people voting in the people in power.
I wouldn't have people voting at all. :cool:

Yes, colonial powers didn't exactly have the native peoples' best interests at heart, but (genuine question), was Africa that great beforehand?
I guess we will never know if they would have developed independently without interference (specifically during the era of guns).

One thing I am certain of, our own nations development would have gone very differently had some other nation given guns to our leaders during one of our many historic struggles against oppression.
 
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Yes, colonial powers didn't exactly have the native peoples' best interests at heart, but (genuine question), was Africa that great beforehand?

All our colonies were better under conical rule. Towards the end it went a bit wonky but in general the Empire did ok* Shame America got a bit upset. I think it wold have been better to keep that as a colony.

* Version of OK varies depending on perspective.
 
If I ever see an advert of charity from Africa or related to Africa I turn the TV over in annoyance!

Anyone else do the same?
 
Western political mistake (as with the middle east) is to expect to export western socialisation and democracy to foreign populations who don't want it, as there is a failure to understand that these countries do not think or act 'like us' in the west - different mentality and culture and sense of what they're all about, so inevitably foreign aid and foreign intervention is either bound to arrive stillborn, or to have a violent and bloody birth, followed by a brutal childhood which may or may not end up with a semblance of what we intended to impart from the first.

In short; you cannot expect a corrupt and backward people (by first world standards) to welcome your good intentions with open armed gratitude. It doesn't seem to matter much that some of our actions might have the best of intentions. Just like our western civilisation hundreds of years ago, they want to do it their own way and don't take kindly to having their business (as corrupt or as decent by their standards as it may be) being interfered with. You can hardly fail to understand that, yet so many of our leaders cannot grasp it.

Doesn't mean there's not a solution, or that we should give up, but none of these changes will come to fruition in our lifetimes.
 
Lord Jopling asked the most revealing question, and got the most revealing answer.

He asked Mr Bostock if the reaction of Eurocrats to his revelations could be characterised by "a grimace and a yawn".

Mr Bostock replied, in a roundabout way: "Yes".

Nice.
 
better they are there ak47ing each other than here being in peadophile rings, witchdoctoring kids to death and stealing our low paid jobs.

Katanga...
 
Metaphorically speaking..Thinking of Africa throughout history as a lightweight boxer held in a ring and battered senseless by a line of Heavyweights. They have been pummelled, battered and knocked out cold by a number of Nations.

You can't find yourself and develop as a nation in modern history whilst this is going on. A lot of countries had a hand in taking Africa's rich resources leaving them "under the yolk" for a better phrase. It's left them now as a country trying to recover from a hammering with a mentality where only the strong survive "Literally"

It's going to take a long long time for Africa to become a country and people within it's own right that's able to stand up for it's self in a modern World. If at all.

Countries with power will always prey on countries that are weaker than themselves. Difference being now is that its done politically and with guile rather than outright force as in past history.

Just my blood Diamonds worth...
 
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