Girl accuses stranger off Facebook of rape

That's just not true, and a completely ridiculous thing to say. Anyone, man or woman, who falsely accuses someone else of rape is doing two things: (1) seriously harming that person, in various ways; (2) trivialising the damage done to actual victims. Therefore, people who deliberately and willfully falsely accuse (as in the case this topic is discussing) should be punished severely to stop it from happening. Can't we agree that reducing the number of deliberately false accusations can only possibly be a good thing?

and this is why people here are up in arms - perverting the course of justice is a serious crime, and yet the woman involved got away with it very lightly.
 
Genuine question: where does this statistic (that "most" women who make a rape allegation are shunned and dismissed) come from?



Again, could you please tell me where this statistic (that "most times", people dismiss rape allegations as lies) comes from?

I myself find it pretty strange that the same folks who'll state that less than 50% of allegations are followed through on also state that most woman are telling the truth despite the absence of evidence either way.

Woman may be shunned and dismissed when they make a rape allegation they cannot substantiate. Many of us have had experience with woman saying stuff when emotional they later back down from and some of us have experience with this even when we know it definitely is not true. I myself like to know before I throw either party under a bus.

Admitting there is another side of the story does not make someone a rape apologist, but failing to accept that some woman probably do drop their allegations because they know what they're doing is wrong does make you something just as bad. Trying to play down amounts because "you know" most people are telling the truth puts you on the same spectrum.

Anyway ignore herpderp, he's a white knight and will never really get it.
 
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You can put mentally ill people in prison, especially when they are beyond help. There are varying degrees of mental illness. If someone is a tiny bit depressed and goes out and kills 50 people, he can't blame his minor spot of depression.

when they're beyond help is kinda the very last time you can put them in prison :confused:


for a high and mighty **** you're pathetically similar to the people you look down on when it comes to your views on mental illness.

It's amazing how simply from a tiny description of actions you've already established a full diagnosis. Good job ****wit.
 
Yes, indeed. This thread itself is evidence of rape culture and rape apologist. One woman makes a claim counter to people's opinions here, and she is jumped on relentlessly. This thread has grown to 6 pages in a few hours, mostly by people not liking their world view being challenged.

Let's be clear: Mademoiselle was NOT saying you (the reader) are a rapist or defender of rapists. She was saying that in society there are a lot of people who do. I've illustrated above how it happens.

But I'm not, either, saying you do that. If you don't, then you can simply shrug and say that's not my experience. And I'd respect that.

But if you instead jump on a woman who makes claims you don't like, and angrily demanding her to answer your specific counter-claims, because your feelings are hurt, is just proving her point. Where do you think your entitlement comes from? The answer is rape culture.

you're aware Mademoiselle is a dude?
 
when they're beyond help is kinda the very last time you can put them in prison :confused:


for a high and mighty **** you're pathetically similar to the people you look down on when it comes to your views on mental illness.

It's amazing how simply from a tiny description of actions you've already established a full diagnosis. Good job ****wit.

lol, best post i've read today.
 
if you want a laugh look at how mumsnet is covering this, feminist logic at its utmost; ignoring the crime instead trying to figure out further ways to punish men...
 
In our culture, things which affect men worse than women are considered more important. Most people who read this thread are men. For them, the threat of being accused of rape is something that might actually happen to them, so they care more about it than rape, which is generally thought of as a woman's problem.

I think your point might be flawed... male rapes do happen and false accusations of rape are, as you've said, very rare. I might as well go out on a limb here and guess that incidents of male rape are higher than incidents of false accusations of rape.
 
I think your point might be flawed... male rapes do happen and false accusations of rape are, as you've said, very rare. I might as well go out on a limb here and guess that incidents of male rape are higher than incidents of false accusations of rape.

you'll find the reporting rate will also be significantly lower than female rape.
 
and false accusations of rape are, as you've said, very rare.

Again, there is no definitive proof of that. What was actually said is that the number of rapes accusations that are provenly false which the CPS believe it is in the public interest to follow up on is small. Presumably the numbers you can prove false that they don't follow up on are pretty low again, but those stats don't tell the whole story.

The logic failure everyone seems to be making is assuming every accusation made which isn't easily proven wrong is probably a true accusation. This goes against our culture, as in the eyes of the law we're innocent until proven guilty, thus all accusations that aren't prosecuted can easily be considered false accusations.

That seems to be a ridiculous accusation as I hope that most woman are resonable people and thus would imagine the majority of him vs her cases are probably true, but subscribing to the notion that men can be horrible and woman can't is accepting something that nobody has actually backed up as fact. Groupthink as it were.
 
Please can someone kindly explain to me what the **** a "rape apologist" is?

It's anyone who doesn't toe the party line that all rape accusations are true, all woman are good, and most men are scum.
 
It's anyone who doesn't toe the party line that all rape accusations are true, all woman are good, and most men are scum.

Thank you DUDE I understand now. I have never heard of that expression before.

Taken from here

"The simple answer is that a rape apology is any argument that boils down to the myth that rapists can be provoked into raping by what the victim does or does not do.

Such apologies feed off the old myth that rapists have no control over the sexual temptation they experience in response to the victim, therefore the victim could have avoided awakening the irresistible rape temptation by behaving differently. It’s classic victim-blaming".

Surely no one is that ****ing stupid to think that the victim of a rape is at fault or should be punished :-/.
 
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So anyone that doesn't believe all rape accusations are true?

No, they'll also call you a rape apologist if you suggest it's a bad idea for the weaker sex to go out, get wasted beyond belief, and then seperate from their herd.

Anyone who suggests that the same woman waking up next to a man the next morning when she doesn't remember the night before hasn't necessarily been raped and that the guy who could have been equally wasted isn't solely responsible for that situation.

Theres a pretty good chance that anyone who suggests you can have consentual sex without verbal consent is also a "rape apologist".

As I said, anyone who doesn't follow the part line exactly and thinks the issue might be a wee bit more complicated that extremely black and white. :)

Thank you DUDE I understand now. I have never heard of that expression before.

Taken from here

"The simple answer is that a rape apology is any argument that boils down to the myth that rapists can be provoked into raping by what the victim does or does not do.

Such apologies feed off the old myth that rapists have no control over the sexual temptation they experience in response to the victim, therefore the victim could have avoided awakening the irresistible rape temptation by behaving differently. It’s classic victim-blaming".

Surely no one is that ****ing stupid to think that the victim of a rape is at fault or should be punished :-/.

Not a single person on the forum has said that afaik (no doubt they'd be banned if they did). What has happened is somebody has perhaps suggested that woman should still "be safe" (based on the above examples) when out and about and they have been accused of being a rape apologist.

The definition you're quoting seems perfectly resonable but the actual application is either wrong on purpose or they're the people using that term here are extremely ******* stupid.

p.s. np dude. ;)
 
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