EDL leaders assaulted then arrested in London

ubersonic said:
He was deliberately attempting to incite what could have become a pretty violent confrontation/showdown.

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Quick skim of the article:



So a couple of fascists going on a sponsored walk, and taking a de-tore past a mosque, yeah I'm sure they just want to admire the architecture or something, no intent of intimidation/etc there.




Despite his family publicly condemning them and stating neither they or lee have/had any wish to ever be associated with them, classy.
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You didn't say anything I didn't already accept. He was walking past the mosque because of his politics and he wanted to wind them up.

The question is do you really want to live in a country where it's illegal to walk in a public street because someone might take offense and hit you?

EDL is no doubt fully of scummy racists but you're not exactly going to win the heart and minds of their potential voters by abusing police powers. If anything it goes some way to validate them, is completely stupid, and should in itself be illegal.
 
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Tom_ed1987 said:
What specific offence was he arrested for?
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by the looks of it - a rather jumped up charge of obstructing a police officer... it is a bit dodgy - while the EDL are a bunch of ****s and the police woman isn't going to upset any senior peeps by arresting them (if anything its some positive PR for the police in East London etc..) they're also undermining some trust in them on the part of anyone who might be sympathetic to EDL views and who sees that clip and the spurious arrest being made.
 
I, ... of ... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.
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@ 00:28 The lanky EDL guy pushed the Red who then started throwing punches.

Does anyone still believe that the EDL aren't shills?
 
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UncleRuckus said:
@ 00:28 The lanky EDL guy pushed the Red who then started throwing punches.
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Punchy guy shoulder barged head EDL guy pretty hard, the lanky EDL guy shoved him moderately, punchy guy got punchy. In that order.

dowie said:
they're also undermining some trust in them on the part of anyone who might be sympathetic to EDL views and who sees that clip and the spurious arrest being made.
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You don't need to be sympathetic to the EDL to understand that clip is blight on the concept of the rule of law.
 
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While there is no doubt the EDL are idiotic, it looks like they've been stitched up there by the police. The police didn't provide any justifiable reason for arresting them, and they even agreed to walk a different route.

They also weren't keen on arresting the guy who quite clearly punched the tall EDL chap.

It seems they decided to arrest them just because they're EDL members, and that's pretty much it; and of course didn't want to risk upsetting the mosque-area. There could be more to the story however.
 
That is the point they are trying to make is that they should be able to walk down any street on a charity walk. But the police will advise on their route because they like to control any sort of gathering like that to their advantage. If you don't listen to police if you organize something public like that, that is enough for them to charge you with obstructing.
 
groen said:
That is the point they are trying to make is that they should be able to walk down any street on a charity walk. But the police will advise on their route because they like to control any sort of gathering like that to their advantage. If you don't listen to police if you organize something public like that, that is enough for them to charge you with obstructing.
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But they repeatedly said they would gladly changed their route if asked? watching the video it looks like they have been stitched up tbh.
 
UncleRuckus said:
Looked to me like Tommy 'I'm not a Zionist shill' got barged because of the lanky one pushing the red forward.
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I watched it again and to be fair I got it slightly wrong.

I think tommy might bump into the blue guy to illicite the elbow reaction which wasn't that hard on a second look. The rest is the same as I said before in my eyes. :)

Looking at it again part of me wonders if the guy in blue and red aren't actually plants by EDL, heh.
 
aln said:
You don't need to be sympathetic to the EDL to understand that clip is blight on the concept of the rule of law.
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I didn't say that you did need to... Though I do feel that it is more of an issue in terms of those people sympathetic to the EDL in that events like this can push them further towards that group - something that isn't constructive in the long term. Still the female senior officer present got her 5 minutes of fame - got to arrest a well known public menace etc...
 
aln said:
I watched it again and to be fair I got it slightly wrong.

I think tommy might bump into the blue guy to illicite the elbow reaction which wasn't that hard on a second look. The rest is the same as I said before in my eyes. :)

Looking at it again part of me wonders if the guy in blue and red aren't actually plants by EDL, heh.
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Nothing would suprise me these days. :)
 
The other two guys will come out soon saying they are uncover morons. Maybe there is more but I can't see what they was arrested for?

I think a few more cuts are needed in the police moron dept.


Thanks cameron.
 
Tom_ed1987 said:
But they repeatedly said they would gladly changed their route if asked?
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Yes, but when asked multiple times they refused each time. Chavs can do politics too :P


Goberpiles316 said:
When did it become an offence to walk past a mosque?
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It didn't, however they (being part of a racist/anti Islamic group) wanted to march past one while doing a sponsored walk in memory of a dead person who's family have repeatedly asked them not to try and associate themselves with, and have even stated that the deceased would never have wanted them to try and associate themselves with him.

Its not really the same, context is important. A good comparison would be a person walking down the street past a synagogue eating pork, compared to a bunch of Nazi's organising a synchronised pork eating outside a synagogue.
 
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So let me get the gist of this. These guys were arrested for no other reason other than the 'local community', and we all know what that is the politically correct term for, would cause trouble?

So is this how it is now, you get assaulted on the streets of Britain and you're the one who's arrested? That is absolutely shocking behaviour by the police. I thought they were there to uphold the law, not start acting like some third world paramilitary force, grabbing people off the street just because of what another group that's prone to violence might do.
 
Great bit of PR that the Police helped out on there.

'Police' and 'Intelligence' two words not usually associated with each other
 
ubersonic said:
It didn't, however they (being part of a racist/anti Islamic group) wanted to march past one while doing a sponsored walk in memory of a dead person who's family have repeatedly asked them not to try and associate themselves with, and have even stated that the deceased would never have wanted them to try and associate themselves with him.

Its not really the same, context is important. A good comparison would be a person walking down the street past a synagogue eating pork, compared to a bunch of Nazi's organising a synchronised pork eating outside a synagogue.
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Problem is though - in the video they actually stated they weren't going to walk past the mosque and that if the police were to say to them that they'd be arrested for walking down a particular route then they'd change their route. Yes we all *know* they are a dubious far right org with (likely) a large number of racist members but the police need to play the game too and if they're not being overtly racist and they are happy to change their route then a spurious arrest just plays into the hands of the EDL - generates them more publicity and doesn't necessarily show the police in a good light.

I realise this is steriotyping a bit but it just looks like the female senior officer trying to make a name for herself amongst her colleagues. Some female managers in male dominated environments tend to feel the need to prove themselves and it can lead to them acting like short men with a Napoleon complex.
 
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zoomee said:
Walking down past a mosque or not, it was clear what their intentions were by inviting these two bigots to attend their 'walk of peace':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23064355

clearer context as to why the police were maybe a little stricter with them than usual?
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...and yet this vile excuse for a person is feely allowed to enter the Country.

http://news.sky.com/story/1106292/preacher-who-backs-wife-beatings-let-into-uk

Multi-cultural Britain, an enlightened country where everyone is considered equal. It's just that certain groups are seen as more equal than others.
 
2 people from a radical islamist group want to go to where their presence might cause civil unrest, say for example where dead soldiers are being re-patriated and actually cause civil unrest.

Oh wait

Talk about double standards in the UK now, this will end in tears as radical groups are being given a green light.
 
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