I agree most Muslims over here in the west are normal and what i would call "lite". However Anjem is right, him and the desert dwelling Muslims are moderate and usually violent and crazy. So not inherently evil but still quite radical in there everyday religious actions.
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I agree most Muslims over here in the west are normal and what i would call "lite". However Anjem is right, him and the desert dwelling Muslims are moderate and usually violent and crazy. So not inherently evil but still quite radical in there everyday religious actions.
I think you'll find that the Sack of Constantinople was carried out by Christians not Muslims (that also covers Christian rape gangs, btw).
For someone who has been a member for all of a few weeks you certainly seem to be familiar with the people you are arguing with?
I am not surprised you are not interested in what I have to say, as it goes against your prejudices and the best way to keep those prejudices is to only pay attention to those that share them. Which is pretty much what I said and flew straight over your head.
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I don't believe all Muslims themselves are inherently evil, but Islam as a religion I do. For some reason people read "Islam is inherently evil" as "Muslims are inherently evil", but those people are just looking for an argument.
The creator of the religion (and let's face it, he must have been either deluded or a liar to come up with the stuff in the koran) raped a 9 year old girl, or maybe she was 12 as apologists sometimes say. Is that evil? Certainly.
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Throughout Asia and Europe it was common for betrothals as young as 6 and 7 years old, with marriages at 10-12 years old. (Royalty it was often from Birth) It was a practice that was followed throughout several cultures and religions, including our own. The age of consent was as low as 7 years old in Western Culture right up until the 1880s, so what you are doing is disingenuous and misrepresents the truth of the time.
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Is he?
I thought it was fairly clear that only a proportion of Muslims form radical groups, the issue being here is that they all look to the same teachings to justify their actions. So while that doesn't make Islam inherently evil, it does make it open to political manipulation (in much the same way the Church made political capital a few hundred years ago).
Everything is open to political manipulation...everything.
And he said Islam is inherently Evil...
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which despite him saying that doesn't apply to all Muslims in the same sentence, by association it does imply such as Islam is inherent in being a Muslim.
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Im not trying to prove anything about Islam being all lovely and wonderful, neither am I trying to say the same about Christianity or any other blooming religion.
All I am trying to say is that all religions have their nut bars, so you can't just go and say the Islam is for the nutters, because that's just stupid.
I can't comprehend how much you want to tarnish your brush here. You might as well just come out and say all white South Africans hate blacks South Africans.
...Which is different from saying all Muslims are evil, which was your first statement.
Many Germans were Nazis, not all were evil.
Tony Blair made a similar point:
“It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open-minded societies,”
It was fairly obvious when Christianity was being manipulated for power reasons, less obvious for Islam, particularly since it's happening in poorly educated countries. Peasants may not see the bigger picture, they just don't want to be beheaded.
When Islam says "Kill all the unbelievers" you can choose to pass on that and still be considered Muslim.
Empirical evidence suggest otherwise.
Certainly wanting to die for something indicates a degree of insanity
It has been a few years since we have had any Christians dying for their faith, but ironically they have all been killed by Muslims promoting theirs. In fact we have to go back about a hundred years to find a Christian martyr who wasn't killed by Muslims. To think of the hand wringing that goes on in here when EDL spray some graffiti on a Mosque.
The last time this situation was reversed was probably the Crusades.
That's kind of a damming track record for the Religion of Peace
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Godwins Law! /Thread.
Not all Germans were Nazis, all Muslims are Islamic, one is inherent, the other is not.
You are misrepresenting what he said, he said there was an issue within Islam, not with Islam...he was referring to Islamism...which is a different thing entirely. You can be a Muslim and not an Islamist...in that your German/Nazi analogy would be effective.
It's just as obvious, when you realise the difference between Islam and Islamism.
Probably because Islam doesn't say that, some Imams interpret it that way...there is a difference.
The evidence doesn't suggest any such thing, people's misrepresentation does that, and people die for causes quite often...they are not insane. Unless those that died to ensure our freedom and other such examples were insane of course....
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Well I know that's not true and it seems wildly inappropriate to say. I don't think that has anything to do with the thread topic.
Good day to you!
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It will be something different to watch while i work my way through my bacon roll in the morning i suppose.
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You're right, it has nothing to do with the thread topic, but then I couldn't resist putting it in as an example of such a wrong sweeping generalisation like yours, so in Leaskovski's fagalot theorem, we are good.
Is this supposed to be ironic? Every single thing you said is absolute and completely wrong. So much fail in one bigoted post
As stated your post is full of ignorance and plain old bigotry
What about the African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors
Or how's about:
Genocide in Rwanda
Catholic extermination camps
Catholic terror in Vietnam
Child abuse scandal and cover-up
..etc ...etc
Conveniently forgotten about these Christian disgraces (along with many many others I might add), I guess it doesn't do your Islam/Muslim bashing much favors !
Don't get me wrong I'm an anti-theist and despise all religions, however I find ignorant selective bigotry even more repulsive.
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i hate the whole "Islam/Quran says to kill non-muslims".. but eveyone reads the verses out of context as otherwise islam wouldnt be portrayed in an evil way!
The verses (as far as i know) are/were (maybe for that specific time) talking about having a pact with non-muslims and if you have one, you should obey it and live in peace, if they break it, then you are allowed to kill them.
in another verses, it says when you are FIGHTING in a way, you are allowed to kill them (Which is what USA are doing in IRAQ/Afghanistan etc but of course you dont think that is wrong!) i mean in a war what else are you supposed to do? sing kumbaya, lay down on the floor and let your enemy topple you?
and as crazy mentioned, how convenient that people dont have a fit when stories of priest abusing children come out, yet when a muslim does it, it is insane. it wasnt the muslim who held his daughters in the cell for 20 odd years and committed incest!
The verses (as far as i know) are/were (maybe for that specific time) talking about having a pact with non-muslims and if you have one, you should obey it and live in peace, if they break it, then you are allowed to kill them.
in another verses, it says when you are FIGHTING in a way, you are allowed to kill them (Which is what USA are doing in IRAQ/Afghanistan etc but of course you dont think that is wrong!) i mean in a war what else are you supposed to do? sing kumbaya, lay down on the floor and let your enemy topple you?
and as crazy mentioned, how convenient that people dont have a fit when stories of priest abusing children come out, yet when a muslim does it, it is insane. it wasnt the muslim who held his daughters in the cell for 20 odd years and committed incest!
That really doesn't make things all that better...
There was, and continues to be, a lot of consternation and criticism of the Catholic Church for how it handled, and continues to handle, the allegations of child abuse so I am not entirely sure where you are going with this?