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Hey cheats64 I mean Frightful Boar - how about the IRA and UDF decades of terrorism which isn't over we just call them dissidents these days
Channel 4 to broadcast the Islamic call to prayer every morning during the holy month of Ramadan
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Hey cheats64 I mean Frightful Boar - how about the IRA and UDF decades of terrorism which isn't over we just call them dissidents these days
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I find it odd you are drawing comparisons from two unrelated topics, as if one is allowed so should the other when they are nothing alike.
Hey cheats64 I mean Frightful Boar - how about the IRA and UDF decades of terrorism which isn't over we just call them dissidents these days
why stop there, here is another "fact":
just because USA calls taliban terrorist doesnt make it so, to taliban USA are the terrorists,
1. which country invaded the others' country,
2. who has killed millions of people including "civilians" but they term that as "casualty of war" as that makes it OK.
but since USA is not muslim country, it is ok!
and have you noticed how these terrorist attacks have increased since the invasion of Afghanistan? if USA didnt go in, everything would have been OK. but USA had to show its power and retaliate.
Only applies to comparisons to Nazis, not to a comment about Nazis.
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You do know that Saudi Arabia continues to behead women for Witchcraft?What about the African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors
We could go through some of those events you quoted, I think one or two contain examples of ignorance and bigotry
But then you wouldn't know that would you because you've just cut-n-pasted a website.That's a pretty much commonplace story in Muslim countries, an underage Syrian girl forced into marriage to avoid rape, manages to escape her husband because she feared he would rape her baby.
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But in context of is Islam for nutters, that's still a yes. They may group together under these Imams but they still exist. I couldn't for example point to any Christians wishing to kill me for living in the west or not believing in their sky pixie.
Muslims my not define themselves as Islamist, but they appear to have sympathy with those ideals (hence the support for Shaira law in a recent survey, and even a small percentage (6%) happy to justify the London bombings))
Hardly a comparison, many of these suicide attacks are Sunni vs Shia, I'm not willing to ascribe any moral high ground to people who just hate each other's sky pixie.
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Please show me where it says in Islam to "kill people for living in the west or not believing in their sky pixie" Are there people who say do the above yes, are there people who say the above who are not Muslim, yes. One can use your logic and say western nations are for "nutters" quite easily.
Hmme, surely they are killing each other because of internal power struggle over territory, control and power because the west illegally and illegitimately killed millions and removed from power one group and replaced them with a group of the opposing side. Rather than them fighting over, as you incorrectly put it " hate each other's sky pixie." (since they believe in the same "sky pixie"
I don't see that tbh... though I realise why you might. I'm talking about broadcasts relating to religion which are deliberately provocative. Channel 4 has publicly stated that this one is intentionally provocative... and in not so many words essentially aimed at the likes of the EDL... There is no real reasons for them to get wound up about it... rather if you don't like it don't watch it. Some people choose to be offended by things which aren't necessarily offensive in themselves but require you to subscribe to a belief system in order for offence to be found... in the case of this broadcast its EDL/muslamic ray guns, sharia is taking over the UK nonsense... and it will be amusing to see them react. In other instances its been outrage at a comedy film with a chap called Brian who's remarkably similar to Jesus... or rioting/killing people over a cartoon which has been published in a newspaper they've never read in a completely different country....
People can choose to be offended by whatever they like...
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How can a month be holy? I always thought ramadan was self righteous act. As muslims are always too keen to let you know that they are doing it.
No it isn't, it simply means that like almost all religions, political ideologies, cultures and so on,,,there are nutters within it, as well as people who would use such to advance their political and/or personal agendas.
You would be hard pressed to find any Muslims that would want to do that either...the ones who have extremist views do not want to kill Western People because of their beliefs, they want to propagate their political agenda and are committing acts of terrorism in an asymmetric war against soft targets (You) because they feel Western Foreign Policies include Occupation and Subjugation of Muslim Countries.
If you were a Protestant in Northern Ireland, there would be a few Catholics who might want to kill you for what you believe, and vice versa...but even then that is largely based on a political agenda as well.
Some Muslims do define themselves as Islamist, and Islamists that abhor that term, still follow Islamist ideology. This is not true of all, or even a majority of Muslims.
A position that has no validity as no-one is suicideing over a different God......Sectarianism is something else, and is very common, even in the UK...particularly in Northern Ireland and Scotland...it also arises in a myriad of different manifestations all connected to prejudice, bigotry and discrimination.
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I have not seen any statement by channel 4 stating their broadcast aimed at Muslim viewers was actually in fact a broadcast aimed at the EDL to incite them. That would in fact be insulting to the Muslims of this country as their call to prayer was being used and essentially described as something distasteful and used as a tool to cause offense (which of coarse it is not, as church bells are not)
On that note one action is designed to cause offence whilst the other is entirely innocent (that is of coarse C4 is aiming the broadcast for Muslims, rather than the EDL) If that is a case the burden is on the broadcaster and not Muslims who have nothing to do with it, rather them having to accept some ultimatum you put forward earlier considering they have no control of either broadcast.
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In fairness some Christians are often no better during lent. Like they want a pat on the back and praise because they're now only filling their face with junk for 92% of the year.
I didn't say they stated explicitly it was aimed at the EDL - they have however said it is provocative
I said " Channel 4 has publicly stated that this one is intentionally provocative... and in not so many words essentially aimed at the likes of the EDL..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/02/channel-4-ramadan_n_3531986.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/adhan-channel-4-defends-decision-2017635
They're all seeking to challenge views, to be provocative... People can choose to be offended by any of these things... that is their personal choice.
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Praying is so 5th century, get over it. 
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It seems you are taking what they have said out of context, and in no way was it "in other words aimed at the EDL"
As I mentioned above, that would be offensive to Muslims, which im sure is not their intention.
Difference is one is inherently offensive and the other is not offensive. People can be offended by the sight of chickens, but that doesn't mean a program on farming was broadcast to be offensive.
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Sectarianism is not "very common" in Scotland, actually, is condemned by the vast majority and hate crimes of that nature are at a 10 year low.
I'm not Castiel so I'm ignorant of the meaning here:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
Muslims calling other Muslims non Muslim, no confusion there then.
They killed each other before the West turned up, will continue when we have left and probably continue to seek us out to carry on.Hmme, surely they are killing each other because of internal power struggle over territory, control and power because the west illegally and illegitimately killed millions and removed from power one group and replaced them with a group of the opposing side. Rather than them fighting over, as you incorrectly put it " hate each other's sky pixie." (since they believe in the same "sky pixie"
And no, they don't regard each other as legitimate, 'different sky pixie' is a generic way of covering the stupidly minor differences between them both
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So taking a slither from a statement and taking it out of context, yep I can see how the above can be contorted to say as you suggest.
I don't think we are going to agree here, one is intentionally offensive and the other isn't. But I see where you going, just disagree.
Nope - both are intentionally provocative, it still relies on carrying on choosing to believe in some idea in order to become offended by either...
For example the person behind everyone draw mohammed day was seeking to provoke debate... there wasn't anything inherently offensive about it... there were however groups of people who chose to be offended by it... some reacting rather violently to it.