Madeleine McCann's parents

brendy said:
Nothing whatsoever, they shouldn't be using more resources than they would on any other missing child case. What I am saying is that the high majority of folks in the UK can believe in a god they have never seen, believe in miracles etc but cant for one minute believe that someone has played a blinder (relatively speaking) in kidnapping and withholding a child without getting caught?

Only this year think back to the house where three brothers had held some girls against their will for years and years, fathering at least one child etc. It can happen.
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Oh, I agree, she may be out there somewhere but I don't think that it will make a blind bit of difference continuing the investigation. Those girls they just found in america were not revealed from police work, it was the lapse of the kidnappers after all those years. As long as the police presence is high in this case I would imagine that anyone who has managed to hide her away until now would take extra care till things have died down. That is if they ever relax and allow the opportunity for escape / discovery.
 
The McCanns need to be arrested for subjecting us to years of awful news, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm sick to the teeth with this.
 
The only justice that is or was left to be had after realising that the likelihood of finding her is remote, is that the parents face some sort of punishment for neglecting her.
 
Gackt said:
The only justice that is or was left to be had after realising that the likelihood of finding her is remote, is that the parents face some sort of punishment for neglecting her.
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Fat chance of that - they made sure of that from the off. If there is one thing they know how to do is play the system. Plenty of other people would have faced charges and had the kids placed on the child protection register.
 
It's really sad that most people have no idea what child neglect is and leaving your kids in an apartment while you have a meal 100 yards away is most definitely not neglect (IN THE EYES OF THE LAW).
Child neglect has to go on for a while and be detrimental to the child and in the McCanns case the kids would probably never know their parents were 100 yards away.
Perhaps we should all be fighting to have 'neglect' changed which I'd be all for and parents wouldn't be able to do leave their kids unattended.
 
Yes, neglect would be classed as protracted. But the law is quite clear you can't leave a child alone if it leaves them at risk. Children of that age being left alone would be at risk by UK Law. Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised in a manner which leads to unnecessary suffering or injury. I think we can safely say that criteria was well and truly met.
 
I have a few questions/observations i'd like to point out.

1) Would they be able to dispose of the body in a foreign country without police finding it or finding any evidence of a murder? As it was such a high profile case i'm going to assume the best of the best worked on solving this case and they found nothing.

2) Having owned a holiday home in Portugal in a large complex with many apartments I can confirm that the criminals literally will walk into apartments, even in the day with you sunbathing on the patio, steal your laptop and walk off (this happened to a friend lol). One of their favourites is going in through patio doors on balconies, that a lot of people often leave open. I'd say most likely scenario is that they left the patio doors open thinking no one would try to climb up to their balcony to get in or they didnt even consider it an option.

3) If they had any part of her disappearance/murder would they really be doing everything in their power to go to Court this many times and literally allow their lives to be scrutinized in this way? This many years after the event if you had anything to do with it you'd think 'we got away with it' and keep quiet no?

4) People commenting on extracts from the book. Have you actually read the whole book? If not are you seriously basing your opinion on little pieces of information fed to you by the media who obviously only really care about selling papers?


So yeah to conclude they messed up leaving her alone like that but my opinion is they didnt have anything to do with it. Most likely scenario in my opinion is that a scumbag criminal got through the patio doors because they were open, thus leaving no evidence. The criminal probably saw the parents leave the apartment and head to the bar and figured it a good time to go rob them. Said criminal then probably got disturbed by the young girl and panicked not expecting young children to be alone in the apartment.
 
Dimple said:
It's really sad that most people have no idea what child neglect is and leaving your kids in an apartment while you have a meal 100 yards away is most definitely not neglect (IN THE EYES OF THE LAW).
Child neglect has to go on for a while and be detrimental to the child and in the McCanns case the kids would probably never know their parents were 100 yards away.
Perhaps we should all be fighting to have 'neglect' changed which I'd be all for and parents wouldn't be able to do leave their kids unattended.
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That's not entirely true, as it can be an offence to leave your children alone, particularly babies and very young children, as the McCanns children were.

They left their 4 year old child alone, and not only alone, effectively in charge of two babies, while they were out in a Bar, and in a strange place at that....there was also Child Minding facilities available to them. The children were potentially at risk, their ages and the circumstances would clearly demonstrate this and in the UK this is an offence.

While there is no defined age at when a child can be left alone the guidelines that the law follows states that young children and babies should not be left alone, and older children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone, even 16 year old should not be left alone for protracted periods....The McCanns clearly left their children and the circumstances prove that they were at risk. They should have been investigated at the very least and charged under the circumstances.
 
Xordium said:
Yes, neglect would be classed as protracted. But the law is quite clear you can't leave a child alone if it leaves them at risk. Children of that age being left alone would be at risk by UK Law. Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised in a manner which leads to unnecessary suffering or injury. I think we can safely say that criteria was well and truly met.
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Indeed.
 
Castiel said:
That's not entirely true, as it can be an offence to leave your children alone, particularly babies and very young children, as the McCanns children were.

They left their 4 year old child alone, and not only alone, effectively in charge of two babies, while they were out in a Bar, and in a strange place at that....there was also Child Minding facilities available to them. The children were potentially at risk, their ages and the circumstances would clearly demonstrate this and in the UK this is an offence.

While there is no defined age at when a child can be left alone the guidelines that the law follows states that young children and babies should not be left alone, and older children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone, even 16 year old should not be left alone for protracted periods....The McCanns clearly left their children and the circumstances prove that they were at risk. They should have been investigated at the very least and charged under the circumstances.
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Indeed, this aspect surprised me.

One of my work mates who is Portuguese was speaking about this case & in the media over there one of the main things which was a point of shock was that those very young children were left alone (which didn't seem to be a focus at all here in the media).

On a side note, the only thing which makes me a little depressed about this case is the disproportionately high amount of press coverage "young white girls/women" get compared to missing boys/men (white or of a different ethnic group) or girls/women of different ethnic groups (which account for a large proportion of missing people).
 
arknor said:
erm didn't they find her blood in a car boot they rented or something.....
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Yes in the hire car. They claimed it was from some meat that leaked blood. They aired the car out by leaving the boot open for days. Cadaver odour was also present on the car key fob.

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/

I have followed this case closely and cannot believe they are writing off the DNA and dog evidence and pursuing this fairy tale.

The weirdest thing I have read was the detectives said they believe the body may have been frozen, according to forensics. In the early days the father kept a blog, in one entry he said he had gone to the local dump over there to dispose of a fridge. He commented on how helpful the workers were to him. A few hours later the entry disappeared.

From the beginning they had help from the Government who heavily pressured the Police. He also had many friends and contacts via the freemasons.

Personally I think this was a well timed message to go out, they have a major libel trial coming up in Portugal against the detective who led the investigation and wrote the book 'Truth of the lie'.
 
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