Madeleine McCann's parents

Hikari Kisugi said:
He disposed of a fridge?
Are you kidding me?
What the hell wold you be doing for on holiday, they didn't own the apartment, did they?
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This wasn't the apartment the little girl went missing from. They rented another and that is were this fridge was.

I must state I have never seen the blog with the fridge but it is widely talked about on the specialist forums. Some say it is a myth, I really don't know.

The other thing is Gerry McCann also has a CATS number (19309) against his name. That is something to do with child abuse. The file is empty so there are two possibilities. It never had anything in it, or it was cleansed by somebody for him. Many speculate it was a fellow freemason and relates back to 2002, but of course it is just speculation.
 
Castiel said:
That's not entirely true, as it can be an offence to leave your children alone, particularly babies and very young children, as the McCanns children were.

They left their 4 year old child alone, and not only alone, effectively in charge of two babies, while they were out in a Bar, and in a strange place at that....there was also Child Minding facilities available to them. The children were potentially at risk, their ages and the circumstances would clearly demonstrate this and in the UK this is an offence.

While there is no defined age at when a child can be left alone the guidelines that the law follows states that young children and babies should not be left alone, and older children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone, even 16 year old should not be left alone for protracted periods....The McCanns clearly left their children and the circumstances prove that they were at risk. They should have been investigated at the very least and charged under the circumstances.
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Do you also blame Denise Fergus for letting go of James Bulger's hand in the Strand shopping centre?
 
Castiel said:
That's not entirely true, as it can be an offence to leave your children alone, particularly babies and very young children, as the McCanns children were.
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This came up in all the Child safeguarding meetings I attended and basically if they prosecute the McCanns then they would have to prosecute every parent of a child that has been abducted because the parents weren't looking after them properly eg the little girl in wales who recently went missing/murdered.
This type of thing has been going on for decades and hopefully the McCann case has made those parents realise what can go wrong.
I PERSONALLY WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF NEVER LETTING YOUR CHILD OUT OF YOUR SIGHT OR IN YOUR VICINITY OR WITH ANOTHER TRUSTED ADULT/S just to let you know where I stand.
 
Dimple said:
This came up in all the Child safeguarding meetings I attended and basically if they prosecute the McCanns then they would have to prosecute every parent of a child that has been abducted because the parents weren't looking after them properly eg the little girl in wales who recently went missing/murdered.
This type of thing has been going on for decades and hopefully the McCann case has made those parents realise what can go wrong.
I PERSONALLY WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF NEVER LETTING YOUR CHILD OUT OF YOUR SIGHT OR IN YOUR VICINITY OR WITH ANOTHER TRUSTED ADULT/S just to let you know where I stand.
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I can see what you mean,

But I'm sure most of us were allowed to play nearby our homes with the local children - it's also a case that a determined kidnapper will find an opportunity if one arises regardless as to how safe we make it.

I'd argue trying to condition the members of our society in such a way they don't want to kidnap children would be more productive (by increasing the focus on developing effective & cognitive empathy in early childhood in our education system).

It's hard to do terrible actions against a vulnerable if you have a reasonably well developed sense of empathy, it's the real invisible hand which guides social interaction & prevents abuse.
 
elmarko said:
Should not laugh...

Because letting go of a child's hand momentarily is identical to deliberately going out for a drink & leaving vulnerable children alone.

Oh wa....
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Did I say it was identical? Personally I don't find anything about this case funny, but I seem to be an exception in this thread.
 
scorza said:
There's been so much ******* written about the McCann's and I guess this is just a continuation of that. Whatever happened to the allegations that Kate McCann was on drugs and that the McCann children were sedated to keep them quiet? Oh that's right, they turned out to be completely untrue.
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Well all the official files can be read here.


http://www.mccannfiles.com/

This one shocked me, this is a portion of a statement given by one of the Tapas group. Been kept hidden out of the media

I was seated between Dave and Gerry who I believe were both speaking about Madeleine. I don't remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like "she", referring to Madeleine, "would do this".

When he mentioned "this", Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it inside and outside his mouth, while with the other hand he made a circle around his nipple, in a circulatory movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner and carried an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.

I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to see their reactions. I looked around (page 4) as if saying "did anyone else hear this, or was it just me". There was a nervous silence registered in all the conversations and afterwards, everyone began talking again.
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http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html
 
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scorza said:
Do you also blame Denise Fergus for letting go of James Bulger's hand in the Strand shopping centre?
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Yeah, like that's the same as leaving two babies and a 4 year old and two babies home alone while you are drinking in the local pub...... its not even comparable. :rolleyes:
 
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Dimple said:
This came up in all the Child safeguarding meetings I attended and basically if they prosecute the McCanns then they would have to prosecute every parent of a child that has been abducted because the parents weren't looking after them properly eg the little girl in wales who recently went missing/murdered.
This type of thing has been going on for decades and hopefully the McCann case has made those parents realise what can go wrong.
I PERSONALLY WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF NEVER LETTING YOUR CHILD OUT OF YOUR SIGHT OR IN YOUR VICINITY OR WITH ANOTHER TRUSTED ADULT/S just to let you know where I stand.
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And yet a mother in our area was arrested and charged with putting their child at risk for leaving their 10 year old son home alone while they went shopping down the street. He wasn't abducted, a neighbour of hers called Child Services. I don't know what happened to her, but it illustrates how unequally the law is applied.

Each case should be dealt with and investigated individually, as it currently is, and the McCanns should have been subject to investigation, like anyone else....even if there was not enough evidence to convict or there were jurisdiction issues, it should be mentioned that they are not entirely innocent in this, they left a 4 year old child and two 18 month old babies alone while they were down the pub....that seems extremely irresponsible at best, at least to me.
 
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The worst thing in the world, for anyone under any circumstance is knowing you are solely to blame.
In the case of the McCanns they know no matter what happend to Maddy, they left her, and they are to blame.
When anything goes wrong, and a person is to blame, with no degree of blame to be passed on to anyone else, it is the most awful feeling.
That will never leave them.
There is no degree of blame, it is smply their fault, and I feel thats why they are fighting so hard to try to find her, as without finding her the blame upon them can never be lifted. Never lifted in any way.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
The worst thing in the world, for anyone under any circumstance is knowing you are solely to blame.
In the case of the McCanns they know no matter what happend to Maddy, they left her, and they are to blame.
When anything goes wrong, and a person is to blame, with no degree of blame to be passed on to anyone else, it is the most awful feeling.
That will never leave them.
There is no degree of blame, it is smply their fault, and I feel thats why they are fighting so hard to try to find her, as without finding her the blame upon them can never be lifted. Never lifted in any way.
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Personally I think whoever took Maddy takes most of the blame. But yeah, you're right, must be awful for any parent to have that happen. The reason why I mentioned Denise Fergus was because a statement read out of the news last night says she still feels awful that she let go of James' hand for a moment.
 
I bet she does. It doesn't who did what afterwards, the initial action by the parent, leaves the parent with the memory they could have prevented it. That never leaves. That can never be corrected. The mother is serving the life sentence for the murder of her child, those who killed him can serve their time and continue to assume new identities at the taxpayers expense.
 
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